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Help To ID This Small Medieval Coin

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It's a small coin: 14 mm, 0,53 g.
In bad conditions. I intent take pictures but the better were the followings digitalized pictures:

I thank you all information about
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Because of the small size and graininess of the photos, it is hard to read the lettering, but I think somebody will be able to read enough to figure it out.

Are you able to determine what is in the center on either side?
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At first side it looks a wild man. On the other side I'm not able to say something about.
I'm not used to seeing subtitles like these, barely visible.
I looked into Numista in the Germanic states, Swiss cantons and ancient Netherlands and nothing seemed similar to me.
The first side letters appears to be from the 16th century or close.
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I think this lettering could also be earlier, to late 14th/15th c.
Wildman is typical device of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, but I don't know if it was ever used on such a small coin, or so early?

So, if there are bare legs and feet at about 6:00 on this coin, it can also be an image of St.John who is shown like this on the medieval florin, but maybe there are small silver coins also with his image. Or it can be the legs and feet of a full length figure of a monarch?
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Yikes, I'm really struggling with seeing anything other than a few letters. Here is the best that I can do with the current pics:



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New pictures:
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Let´s see if there are something to help the ID
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Some help from those new photos.

Maybe the design in the center of the first photo is a monogram, or some kind of modified cross. Maybe someone will recognize it.

The second photo, we can see what looks like several medieval small letters ending in e from 2:00 to 6:00 and a capital A around 7:00.
Or, fs we rotate that image 150 degrees clockwise, maybe the A is inside a shield at top, and it is not a person's legs
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@gp, I think that we can see enough to know that this coin is medieval and so I'm going to move it to that subforum within CCF. That said, we really are going to need better pics to help you I think.
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Sorry your pictures are just to blurry to make out anything beyond that it appears to be medieval. If you can provide clearer images we should e able to help.
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I know the photos don't look good but the fact is that the coins are quite worn out.
See if there are some more details now.
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I appreciate any help
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A horse and rider on the front? And a crown or castle on the reverse? There really is much to make out. You could putting a piece of thin paper over it and very lightly rubbing it with a charcoal stick or the entire core of a pencil. Too see if you can make anything out on the paper.
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Rotated OP coin:

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I'm convinced that you have it, but dumbfounded that you could figure out this one Bob. Well done with so little to go on.
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.......You've got an amazing eye not just for detail Bob but orientation as well!
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I want to thank all efforts done for all, especialy BOB!
Bob was great!
I have no words but thanks
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