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Charles I Bust In Ruff

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 Posted 11/23/2008  7:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

I returned home from the Westford Coin Show this morning with this old silver hammered 12 pence.

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 Posted 11/23/2008  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very Nice coin! Out of curiosity, when did the English stop using hammered coins and start milling? (I must admit that I don't have a copy of the 17th century standard catalog.)
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 Posted 11/24/2008  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful old coin! The details of handwork are great to see.
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 Posted 11/24/2008  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Out of curiosity, when did the English stop using hammered coins and start milling?


The first British milled coinage was in 1656 for the Oliver Cromwell coinage.
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 Posted 11/24/2008  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DagonX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful coin, wonderful...!
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AuldFartte- ah thank you very much! I Thought that it was around then.
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12 pence? Were they not called shillings back then?
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Thank you everyone!

There were some early milled coins produced during Elizabeth's reign starting in 1561. Eloye Mestrelle was commissioned to produce machine-made coins using horsepower. Although these experimental coins were superior in quality, they took longer to produce than the hammered ones. Furthermore, they were unpopular because Mestrelle was a foreigner and mint workers feared that they would lose their jobs to the new technology. Therefore production of milled coins was discontinued during Elizabeth's reign after 1571. They were not introduced again until Nicholas Briot's issues in the 1630s. Here is a milled half-groat that I bought from Bob Vlack last year. These small milled denominations of Elizabeth are scarce. The planchets are usually wavy and often found pierced for jewelry.

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12 pence? Were they not called shillings back then?


Yes it is a shilling. I have seen the terms used interchangeably. This coin has "XII" just to the right of the King's bust to indicate its value of 12d.
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 Posted 11/26/2008  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

A Charles I shilling without a ruffled collar. It has a nicer round flan but not as much detail.

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nice coins
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Very nice coins Mr. Tibbitts - especially the Elizabeth coin :)
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 Posted 11/28/2008  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone.

When I bought the "bust in ruff" schilling, my friend Richard said I had to take the 2d "bust in ruff" as well. It is a tiny coin.

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 Posted 11/29/2008  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He should've made you take the Penny too...oh and the sixpence, Half-Crown etc...
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