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The Slab Problem

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 Posted 11/25/2008  10:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add asciibaron to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
At a recent coin show I came across several coins that clearly were not the grade or lacked the attribute stated in the slab. When I asked the dealer the price of the coin, it was the price of a correctly graded or attributed coin, not the coin in the holder.

A Mercury dime that is slabbed by PCGS as MS65FB should have the full bands on the reverse, but I saw several examples that weren't even close to being fully split.

I realize this happens and has volumes written about, and a vendor has stepped up to assure the slab is correctly graded and attributed (CAC). Where does it stop? The adage of "buy the coin, not the holder" simply does not help if the collector population uses the slabbed coins for grading guidance.

I have used this story in the past, and I believe it still rings true - Prior to standardized time, each town kept it's own time - when the railroad's came, the town typically got in sync with the railroad. In time, the phone system added a time element to their network.

The station clerk would call the local telephone operator and adjust his watch. slowly the time in the town began to lag the other stations on the railroad. the telephone company was getting their time from the station dispatcher.

I fear that the incorrectly graded or attributed coins will shift the grades of coins. How can we prevent this from happening, how do we as collectors educate ourselves on which coins are correctly graded? If enough coins make it into the hands of collectors that are over graded, what effect will this have on the hobby?

-Steve

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11/25/2008 10:23 am
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A Mercury dime that is slabbed by PCGS as MS65FB should have the full bands on the reverse, but I saw several examples that weren't even close to being fully split.
I would be a little shocked too if I saw that, since that's the whole point of the FB designation. Couldn't the dealer see for himself by looking at the coin? I have to wonder a little if those slabs were genuine...I just don't see PCGS slipping that badly, but it may be possible.

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I fear that the incorrectly graded or attributed coins will shift the grades of coins.
For the coins I collect, it seems there is no lock-tight standard on grade, and opinion/interpretation still play a role. Even on a good day, slabs of the exact same grade from the same TPG don't always agree. I think too much trust is placed on what a slab says versus looking at the coin. Slabbing has almost become an abstraction because too many buyers simply cannot grade the coins they buy without that little label on a slab. Ultimately, I think a renewed collector emphasis on looking past the slab to the coin will help correct this problem, and I suspect the trend has already begun.
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 Posted 11/25/2008  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add asciibaron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well Kurt, judging from what I saw at the Baltimore Whitman this past week, the slab grade still has an authoritative effect on the market. ICCS, PCGS, NGC are the slabs I look at for known quality garding. When I see mistakes from these graders I have to wonder what is happening on their end. Where is the breakdown, the triple grading process, the insertion in the slab or somewhere else.

The market is in transition - this show saw plenty of high grade slab coins at bargain prices go unsold - there is a shift toward raw coins and I think that in part is due to grade-flation or mis-attributed slabs. I know I was more interested in the raw coins, but one has to wonder why some of seemingly higher grade coins haven't been slabbed - did someone try and they came back bagged, with a lower grade... I passed on a few raw coins simply because I was not confident enough in my grading - was I really looking at an MS65 coin?

-Steve
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11/25/2008 1:16 pm
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