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... you start to find misattributions by major auction houses: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...122&lot=1577

Since getting active on CCF, I have really been inspired to learn more deeply about the areas I collect, by the professional approach of so many collectors out here. I never would have recognized things like this before spending time here.

... And maybe good help is getting harder to find due to the pandemic. That's the second error like that I've run across since July.
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tdziemia What exactly was the error and did they correct it?

Some auction houses accept correction well others do not. I have found European Houses to be easier to talk to than US auctioneers who are often as arrogant as they are uninformed.

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The attribution was an undated gold coin (Ongaro) of the Italian city-state of Ferrara in the late 16th century, Duke ALfonso II.

I think the obverse legend instead says this is a gold coin of the Duchy of Parma & Piacenza under one of the Farnese family dukes. I don't know that place's coins, but I do know Ferrara reasonably well. RAN FARNE PAR ET P DVX IIII would translate as "Ran.. Farnese, 4th Duke of Parma and Piacenza." There is no such coin from the Duchy of Ferrara. The reverse clearly shows a date of 1602 atop the shield, also inconsistent with the attribution (I have not tried to get correct catalog attribution). So, I would say getting the country and date wrong is kind of a major blunder.
I did send them an e-mail, and they said thank you and they would look into it.

Interestingly, just after this, I found several mistakes at a Dutch auction house's current catalog. English coins (perhaps understandable?) and a Brabant coin (less so).

I am not spending my spare time in "gotcha" mode looking for mistakes ... these all came up in relation to my NimisBid's "want list."

And no, not yet corrected, but the auction is still more than a month off.



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I don't go looking for errors either, at least not like I used to when I worked for ebay. That was one of our jobs to correct errors. The ebay manager gave us wide leeway in contacting sellers to advise and correct mistakes. It was better than simply stopping all auctions with easily corrected errors.

In the past year, I would estimate I have written at most 5 letters to auction houses pointing out errors. I typically only review Spanish American and Mexican 8R listings. As you can see there are quite a few.







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I have now written three in the last 48 hours.

This Italian gold, a mis-dated Brabant coin (how could you get THAT wrong?!), and Elizabethan sixpence misattributed as shillings, which I have come to believe is quite common outside the Anglo numismatic world. As you say, continental auction houses are receptive and grateful.
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