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1814m 15 Soldi Of Napoleonic Italy - A Hoard Coin?

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I have also posted this on another forum so apologies to anyone who ends up reading it twice! I am hoping that between the two Forums someone may be able to help.

Recently I was fortunate to acquire a 1814 15 soldi struck at Milan during the Napoleonic period for my typeset. Not only is this an odd denomination at 75 centesimi but the reported mintage is only 371!

An interesting aspect of my example is that the second 1 appears to be struck over a 0. Compared to the French issues the reuse of the dies by the Italian mints seems to have been very common and overdates abound for all of the denominations yet do not appear to be reported for the 15 soldi in the reference books I have (Gigante 174; Montenegro 268; Pagani P51, CNI Volume V C119, Gadoury IT22, Krause C#7). A quick search of the images in the auction archives suggests that this overdate is not unusual although it does not appear to be mentioned in the actual listing, so do all the coins have this overdate? Would several dies really have been needed for such a small production run?

Despite the low mintage compared to the other issues - 1808M (37,771) and 1809M (14,457) - the 1814M not only seems to be more available but the quality of the coins is also much higher than the other two dates. This situation is also reflected in the graded populations: 1808M; NGC has 2 coins, one in MS63 and one in Fine whereas PCGS reports three coins, MS63, MS60 and VF. There are no graded examples of the much rarer 1809M at either service. 1814M; NGC has 6 coins all in mint state (MS62 to M65 including prooflike examples) and PCGS has just two at MS64 and MS62.

The low mintage coupled with the quality of the existing coins suggests to me that the 1814M issue may be a hoard coin and if anyone is able to shed some light on this that would be much appreciated!

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@ccUK, sorry that I cannot help with your question regarding whether this coin comes from a hoard or not. I do have a question for you though. From the pics, it looks like there may be some edge lettering or perhaps a pattern. If there is, can you describe it or add a couple pics to this thread? Or are those actually rim dings that I am seeing?
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I think all the Italian Napoleonic coinage had edge designs, for example there are various numbers of incuse lines on the copper issues. The silver issues have stars or lettering which could be incuse or raised. The 15 soldi is incuse stars.

Compared to the French, Spanish, Dutch and German mints the quality of the coinage from the Italian mints seems to be much lower - not just due to reuse of the dies, the quality of the strike but also in the planchets used and the effect you have noticed is quite common as are adjustment marks. Surprisingly this is only the case for the issues that portray Napoleon himself and not those earlier in the Napoleonic period (e.g. the cisalpine republic) or during/after (e.g. Maria Luisa or Murat)
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