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1870 Newfie 5c Grading

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Hi. Would you kindly grade the following, please (sorry, no reverse photos)? I'm not sure it looks VF. Thanks.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ATYA.../s-l1600.jpg


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 Posted 11/14/2020  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller is certainly genuine and well known in Canada .
The grading on the coin is typical , PCGS does not know how to grade
Circulated coins to Canadian standards .
Fine details by current standards in my opinion .
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 Posted 11/14/2020  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. Yes, I've purchased from him before.

I get the fine part, but why the details?
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 Posted 11/15/2020  12:12 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the overall coin ..... pretty rough !
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PCGS uses the Sheldon system, and I think VF-25 sounds about right.
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We use the Sheldon system in Canada as well .
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 Posted 11/15/2020  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you don't mean "PCGS does not how to grade circulated coins to Canadian standards," but rather they don't know how to grade circulated coins to YOUR standards?
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 Posted 11/15/2020  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No I mean exactly what I said .
Canadian Standards , British Standards , European standards and Australian standards are FAR
different than PCGS standards when it comes to grading foreign coins .
No advanced Canadian Collector or dealer would pay VF money for the OP
questioned coin . Canadian TRENDS and Charlton clearly state that pricing is
for Coins graded to ICCS or CCCS standards which are quite different from PCGS
standards , way more Conservative .
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There's some nice detail in the eye and the braid but the hair is fairly worn. I would say F15 or VF20. Also, I would ask for a picture of the reverse as this side is often quite weak on the 1870.
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Thanks, yes I am waiting for that reverse photo since yesterday.
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Agree with Pacificoin, another overgraded PCGS example. F + details.
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 Posted 11/16/2020  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all, I guess I'll pass this one.
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Reverse photo here now if anyone is interested:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2lcA.../s-l1600.jpg
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Very nice, but its a stretch past F-15, despite the lovely looking Reverse.
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Hmm - that takes it up a notch in my view. If you look around on ebay you'll see that quite a few of the 1870 5c have pretty crummy reverse sides including one that is currently listed for more than $2,000. I think the grade has to stand at F15 (or VF20 on a good day). And sure, that has implications for the Charlton-approved price. But I would be tempted by that one.
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