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ID Help - Long Cross Penny

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 Posted 11/17/2020  08:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wallet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
Can anyone help me to identify this long cross penny? I thought it was a Edward but the lettering doesn't fit any I've seen. Weigth: 1.40 gram Diamater: 19 mm.
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 Posted 11/17/2020  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe one of the many imitation "sterling" issues on the continent at this time. We have this thread with a few examples: http://goccf.com/t/325557&SearchTer...ion,Sterling I think there is an online catalog of these types available somewhere.

Obverse I am seeing lettering like this starting at 12:00: + ?DWEMeROL ONR?A (or possibly last 3 letters are REX)

Reverse starting at 9:00 I see IOh ?D eIG RAC. If IOh is correct, this means IOHANNES (John), and we can see DEI GRAC for Dei Gratia. SO I am guessing we can look for a place with a sovereign named John, and that the lettering obverse must have the place name.

Dukes John I (1290-94) and John II (1294-1312) of Brabant issued coins with this design, but the legends do not match. FOr John I, the obverse legend is either
+ I DVX BRABANTIE, + I BRABANTIE DVX, I DVX LIMBVRGIE or I LIMBVRGIE DVX.

For John II, the obverse legend is MONETA BRVXELLEN'
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 Posted 11/17/2020  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found!
It is indeed an imitation sterling, John the Blind of Luxembourg, 1309-1346, Mayhew 263: https://www.sterlingimitations.com/...heblind.html

I thought my reading of the obverse legend could not possibly be correct, but it was.


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 Posted 11/17/2020  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never would have guessed this was Edward. Very nice find.
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 Posted 11/17/2020  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The legends translate as "John by the grace of God // king of Bohemia and Poland".
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 Posted 11/17/2020  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The legends translate as "John by the grace of God // king of Bohemia and Poland"


Numismatics continues to inform my understanding of European history.
John became King of Bohemia in 1310 by marrying Elizabeth of Bohemia, the sister of King Wenceslaw III who had died without heir.
BUT WAIT! THERE's MORE!
Wenceslaw III had also reigned briefly as King of Poland, so John also claimed that throne, despite the fact that it was really occupied by Wladyslaw (Piast) the Short, one of whose coins was recently shown in this thread: http://goccf.com/t/386242

John was killed in the Battle of Crecy (1346), one of the
early major battles of the Hundred Years War, along with other nobles like Duke Raoul of Lorraine, and COunt Louis I of Flanders, both of whose coins we have seen here.
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 Posted 11/18/2020  03:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wallet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tdziemia Thanks a lot. Really nice information. Great job!
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