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Australian And New Zealand Coins, How Far Back Can We Go - First Edition

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 Posted 12/05/2020  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry from me too. Was just thinking Oz time here.

pepactonius - Some nice coins.
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 Posted 12/06/2020  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All good David, feel free to do some catchup posts if you like. I can't speak for the rest of us, but for me its mostly circulation coins only until we get into the historic era.
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 Posted 12/06/2020  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to 2015 a good year for New Zealand circulation coins.

This was the last year of all 5 denominations being issued since 2002 when all 6 were. Yes in 2006 the first year of the new shrunken coins, no $1 or $2 coins were issued for circulation.

And we will see this, whereas Australia was issuing coins for circulation practically every single year along with mountains of NCLT, Bullion and gimmick pieces like tonnes of gold, NZ pushed out some overpriced gold and silver collectable doins and very few circulation pieces.

The coin collecting market went very upmarket in the 1990s but peaked in the 2010s, where the cheaper items like Uncirculated grade NCLT's all but disappeared by 2014 and only Proof sets and silver ounce and gold ounce coins were issued. Hence why I have none.

Anyway without further ado, a homemade Uncirculated set of 2015 coins of New Zealand


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Well that $2 is heading towards AU, but the $2 coins seem to wear quicker than everything else. The good news is most 2015 dated coins were issued in 2018/19 and are still very fresh like these.

The other big issue of 2015 was the coloured Anzac coin.


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Planned in advance and tied in with a stamp issue, the coin celebrated the 100th anniversary of the ANZAC landings in Gallipoli Turkey on April 25th 1915 and they were the biggest failure of WW1 a ill planned venture by Winston Churchill and other generals, which saw thousands of young men killed on a unwinnable steep hillside. Most of the troops were Australians and New Zealanders along with some Canadians, Indians and even Maltese along with British soldiers. There was even some Maori and Cook Islander soldiers fighting in the Pioneer Battalion as well. The Turks defended their turf well and a full withdrawal happened after a disastorous defeat at Chunuk Bair in August 1915.

The campaign was praised for the courage and dignity of the soldiers and many legends were made like Simpson's pony and the camaraderie forged between Kiwi soldiers and Aussie diggers and the coin celebrates this. The flower of manhood of both countries spilled blood on that hillside and we remember their sacrifice which was part of both countries emerging sense of nationhood, fair play and honouring the decent everyday bloke.

The leaders were slammed and it led to the epithet "LIONS led by DONKEYS". It took brave and selfless leadership in WW2 for Churchill to avenge his WW1 era blunders.

Coin execution was even worse with only 1 million pieces minted and half given to army troops and family, with 400k more being put into rolls of 20, unlike 2018 there was no handling fee and rolls were sold loose at Post Offices with a limit of 2 rolls (40 coins per person) and many were sold past this. Only 100k went into circulation and all were snapped up. The coins are unseen except on Trade me and ebay now and sell at some $5 each. I have 11 examples!
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12/06/2020 02:43 am
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 Posted 12/06/2020  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still in New Zealand (My Aussie stuff will be a bit later)


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Yesterday you saw the 3 high notes, today the $5 and $10 our low value ones were reissued in 2015 and the $5 won a global beautiful banknote competition that year. Pretty much now you will see very few of the old series notes in use anymore (I will show these in 1999)

The coins were merely as part of tableau of the currency in use in New Zealand.
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 Posted 12/06/2020  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aussie Remebrance $2 with C mint mark.

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Steve :)
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 Posted 12/06/2020  07:06 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2015 Australian MOR dollar and standard 2 dollars:
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 Posted 12/06/2020  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve's Remembrance $2 is a nice C mintmark I see, mine isn't but still nice and interesting this coin also has the words of a long poem on them as well (In Flanders field)


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A second ring $2 coin was the Australian Anzac remembrance coin showing the crosses and rocks of Gallipoli. Another beautiful design which celebrated the maintenance and care of war graves, particularly those in overseas fields. This security was threatened slightly by radical Islamist president Erdogan in Turkey, but seems to have been diffused.

2015 was the first year in which more than one coloured $2 ring coin was issued and this would increase over coming years. The 2012 to 2014 are much more scarce as we will see.

My circulation group of Aussie coins includes the following


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Australian-And-New-Zealand-Coins,-How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go---First-Edition

The standard $2 coin, 10c and 5c coins (I don't have many of the later large 20c and 50c coins, reflecting the last time I went to Australia was in 2013!)

I also have an standard $1 my latest date MOR dollar and this was probably in a lot of coins I bought rather than from a trip to Australia. As you can see its fairly nice.

Also from now on, many of my circulation coins will become more worn as we leave the era of getting of fresh fresh coins from circulation, a few years wears most of them down somewhat, although the occasional resuling will come off me as well.
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 Posted 12/07/2020  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We reach 2014, a year that gave us all of the Kiwi coins in circulation sans the $1. It was the first issue of 20c since 2008 and 50c since 2009.


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The $2, 50c and 10c were all standard but the 20 cent had 2 varieties, the narrow and wide dates.


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The wide date is considered an earlier type and has less detail than the narrow date on the front (Pukaki carving). This error was only discovered in 2016 and its easy enough to see the difference on the portrait at least.


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The reverses of the coins - showing both types of 20 cents. The Wide date is not rare, but 5x less common than the narrow date coin.


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Close up shot.

NZ coin issuing becomes more erratic before 2014 as we will see. This was the last year of an Uncirculated set and only 750 were issued making them scarce. In 2013 they separated the $5 coin from the others to make more money, and this decision cost them badly. Since 2015, they have only issued Uncirculated $5 coins and the circulation coins only as proofs.

In 2012, I will start showing UNC sets of NZ coins as well!
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 Posted 12/07/2020  04:28 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coins, Princetane! I don't think I'll post any of my Kiwi coins as you will always get there first and yours are probably better! I got both versions of the 2014 20c when I was in NZ last year!

Here's my contribution for the day - 2014 Australian 20c and 50c:
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 Posted 12/07/2020  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats fine, I would love it if you and other people did post some Kiwi coins, at least there would be better photos than mine.

The joy of this thread, is that its cool if we all post photos of the same coins - the more the merrier, especially in this recent era, the scarcity of kiwi coins outside Australiasia and all the great circulating commems put out by Australia is making both countries popular.

I feel Australia are totally winning in any trans tasman rivalry here, the issuing of all these coins so anyone can get them and become a coin collector is genius, NZ could learn a lot from them. Plus its buying us all a lot of time until we get back to some silver rarities in the mid 20th century!

Yes sure there is a lot with coloured ring $2 coins, the Alphabet and AUS mintmark coins of the $1 series and numerous commem $1, 50c and 20c coins, but its up to you choosing what you want and don't want. New Zealand should do some coloured ring coins or a series about TV Kiwi characters, showing sheep or lamingtons or Maori stuff and it would drive up interest like it has with Australian coins around the world.


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The big star of the 2014 commemorative coin series is the Remembrance $2 coin with green rings and a nice design, with 1.5 million its quite scarce and now worth quite a bit outside face value. It was the only special $2 coin issued in 2014 with coloured detail.


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The rest of my 2014 Australian coinage includes a 5c to 20c and a Anzac dollar coin. Surprisingly these Anzac dollars were issued each year from 2014 to 2018, but dates other than 2014 are pretty hard to get.

It helps now we have a complete set shown of 2014 coins sans a MOR dollar. Thanks Numis Rob - I haven't really put much effort into my 20c, 50c or $1 yet.

You all may notice the average grade is declining slightly now - most of my early 2010s coins are EF - AU.

Also you will find I have most $2 coins as I spent probably too much on a big collection of $2 coins and will be showing you a $2 piece for most years even before the coloured rings.
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 Posted 12/07/2020  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are my 2014 NZ 20 cent coins. (wide date is courtesy of Princetane - thank you).

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Now some nice 50 cent coins
AIATSIS
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These are NCLT...

Battle of Cocos
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Royal Flying Corps
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Western Front
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and a NCLT $1
Terra Australis
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Steve :)
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 Posted 12/07/2020  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those commems are beautiful, are they some of the limited release ones you buy in the folders and Numismatic covers with a stamp?
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Welcome to 2013, starting now and going back to 2007, we will see much more limited issuing of circulation coins for New Zealand, whereas we saw reasonable coin issuing in the 2014 - 2016 period, the next few years are mostly 1 or 2 coins at most. Only the 10 cent was issued most years in this era and a new group of $1 and $2 coins were issued every 3 or 4 years on average.

That is just my country, coin demand is low and the ones we have are doing well, many 2000's dated cent denominations coins are still nice and shiny after over a decade and the dollar denominations coins are more worn but still going strong.

For 2013 we have just the dollar coin and the 10 cents of course!


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I am lucky to present near to UNC coins here, by now most 2013 coins are showing a bit of wear, my guess is these 2 were pulled out of circulation by me a few years ago.

My Aussie stuff is more substantive, yet for the next few years until we reach the mid 2000s, I will be a bit more low key around here!
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 Posted 12/08/2020  04:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Those commems are beautiful, are they some of the limited release ones you buy in the folders and Numismatic covers with a stamp?


Not sure where I got these, but I think they were from a friend who visited the RAM a few years ago. I guess they were carded.

Steve :)
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 Posted 12/08/2020  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wise friend!

For my Australian 2013 pieces I am missing the crucial coin of this year - the 2013 Coronation Diamond Anniversary $2 coloured coin with a purple series of rings. This is the first proper coloured ring $2 and easily the hardest to find (The 2012 piece was a coloured poppy rather than ring - but we will deal with that behemoth tomorrow).

This coin is incredibly expensive and rare to find now. I hope someone has one and can show it. I turned down an offer of $250 to buy one!


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My 2013 Australia is also sparse, a worn $2 coin and a really nice 10c provided to me by Steve and a decent 5 cent piece.

2013 may be my most sparse year yet.
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