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1750 Great Britain Shilling AU-Details Cleaned

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As a rule I generally do not buy cleaned coins but this one looked quite nice . I know they can be pricey when they are not details so I picked it up for 126.00 after buyer fees on Heritage . Seemed fair but who knows.


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 Posted 12/17/2020  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost all silver Coins of this age have had the misfortune of even a light cleaning at sometime or other over the last 200+ years.
This coin has long since has acquired a rather attractive even re patination that has little to distinguish it from a nicely kept Shilling of the same condition that has never been cleaned.

Well above average condition and eye appeal for a coin of this type, and no other problems.

My son has completed a short type set of English / British milled Shillings all main portrait types Charles 11 - Elizabeth 11, Fine to uncirculated. Only two types missing: Dorien & Magens, and the Northumberland Shillings. Over 60 different type coins of the same denomination. This coin nicer than his example.
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 Posted 12/17/2020  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Sel_69I now I feel better I was seeing some straight graded ones for around 600 US so I figured it was worth a gamble
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Very nice coin, but that is not AU by our (British standards).

I would say VF to gVF at most, crowns have almost flat bands. The garter in the middle is flat. Details are clear not sharp. Even by American standards this is VF35 at most.

Still a very nice coin, when the average one is usually VG at best - this is great but not AU.
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 Posted 12/18/2020  05:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree with Princetane about the British grading.
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Whatever the grade, a handsome coin.
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comparing to some others I am seeing online, it looks it has a not so good strike , comparing it to a MS-62 example obverse looks quite close, Reverse is flatter but I am seeing others similarly graded that look the same. A VF-35 would have much more wear in my opinion at least on a Older US coin.
This one actually looks better than the few Graded AU examples I have found but I will defer as I am no expert on these.
It is graded AU Details by NGC
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Obverse Brit very fine. Reverse Brit near very fine, as there is considerable wear to the devices at the high points, the lions being particularly 'flat'.
If cleaned, it was a long time ago and no longer a problem.
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Yeah I was debating cracking it and resubmitting . If I could get it to straight grade even XF that would be a huge win
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It's not XF, unfortunately.
I stand by my original assessment.
London Coin Auctions can always be depended upon to grade accurately. Here's one sold through them which they graded as XF.


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Wow that example looks like a nice AU example . Easy AU-55 looking coin . Reverse on that has more detail for sure. Minus maybe the center of course that may be the strike.
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also I am assuming the grading scale in the UK is different than in the US?
Here is a accurately graded 1887 Morgan dollar VF-35 it has much more wear than this schilling.
Is VF there different than our VF? By the example above from Hogarth that example looks nearly uncirculated
minus the center of the reverse.
Just trying to get a feel. Obviously I will not want to crack it if you think it will go from AU-Details to VF or VF details but it has alot more detail than a VF-35 Morgan dollar would, not even in the same ballpark.

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Yes, two different scales.
The London Coins 1750 shilling is accurately graded as British EF (Extremely fine).
The Morgan dollar would grade as British Fine, or maybe a tiny bit better.
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ok Makes since Hogarth , Your example in the US would be A easy AU-55 possibly AU-58 from what I can tell. Though I do not know much about these I can easily see there is minimal wear on that example if really any at all. The areas that look like wear may even just be the reflection
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so these coins are listed on London Coins as NEF
So my question is NEF how does that translate to the US grading scale?

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ok so I found a site that explains the UK to US grading so I think we are saying the same thing, when I am saying AU it is US AU which at Chards.co.uk is saying VF is the same as US AU-50 which is what I was meaning . If the reverse is aVF that would be US XF-45 and since obverse gets the most of the grade that is why it came to AU details. I was not trying to say it was uncirculated :) of course the Near Ef examples above have similar reverse to mine it appears
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