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New Member
Romania
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Hi all ! I really need help and any clue is much appreciated ! I recently bought a rare Thaler from 1771 Johann Joseph , Khevenhuller-Metsch (Mintage 200) and after a few hours I noticed some differences in it compared to those found on the internet. On the back of this coin I noticed some "SS" letters that are stamped in reverse than they should have been (please see picture attached) plus other details that seem unclear.The coin corresponds in weight and diameter ( 42mm and 28,4g) but as I said, it still differs in appearance from all the ones I found on the internet .So I am very confused !Does anyone know if there are such coins in this lot? Is it an error currency? Or maybe a fake? Thanks a lot !   |
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Moderator
 United States
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New Member
 Romania
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Valued Member
Netherlands
176 Posts |
Your specimen looks much coarser, less detailed, than the original one. It looks like a copy to me.
Please post a picture of the obverse as well.
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
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If the mintage is only 200, then most likely a single die has been used to mint these coins. Then your coin should be a perfect die match with the original thaler you show, which it isn't. Looking closely at the details of the coat of arms, there are several details that do not match, and as @Eligius points out, are coarser on your example than on the original thaler. I would say you have a copy.
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New Member
Romania
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Thanks a lot for the answers ... Yes, that's my feeling ... that I have a copy! But isn't it strange that the diameter and weight correspond to the original ?   |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Since the weight and diameter match, it may just mean that the fakers did a better job than most. Consider doing a density test.
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New Member
Romania
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I am not able to do a density test unfortunately ...
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I suspect a copy which could have been made slightly overweight, then weight adjusted after manufacture, perhaps by filing the edge, then light hammering of the file marks to hide them. Take a very close look at the edge with a 10x loupe, for removal of file marks. Non destructive XRF metal analysis justified in this case. A bullion dealer should have a hand held testing instrument, but may charge a fee for the service. Indistinct overall design detail suggests copy.  with erafjel's comments. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sorry, but your coin does not look at all like the original in many of its details.
I hope you did not pay much for it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Agree looks like a crude fake based on that picture
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New Member
Romania
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Thank you all for your time ... it looks like yes, it's a copy :(
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Moderator
United States
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New Member
Romania
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Thank you !  |
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Posted 12/20/2020 4:11 pm
