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1895 Morgan Dollar Possible Fake?

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 Posted 01/02/2021  4:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add daremonkee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey everyone,
I just recently started coin collecting pretty actively and have a few rarities, but today I received something I did not expect. I purchased a lot of 5 random date "uncirculated" Morgan dollars for about $125. When I received them today I got a 1895 in them. I weighed it out and compared it to other Morgan dollars and it weighs very similar to a worn down dollar at 26.67g. I tried the clinking coins test, the ice test, the magnet test. Everything atleast points to all 5 coins being silver. They all share similar scratches at the bottom of the eagle on the reverse side which seems odd. I've uploaded some pictures of the 1895 coin. Anyone have any idea if this could be a real Morgan?
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It does not look good at all. The grainy texture on the high point of the devices is not a good sign.

How thick is it? Sometimes fakes are slightly thicker than nominal.
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Absolutely a fake . Only 880 made and it is a Proof only issue .
There are NO authenticated business strikes known.
Your first clue was a random lot of Morgan's @ 25 bucks each .
Any 1895 is 50 K or more .
Get yours XRFed by a Coin dealer or jeweller with a machine .
Probably not even 90 per cent Silver .
If all five look similar to this there is a good chance
that they are all fakes .
Show pictures of the rest !
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Definitely a fake.



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Just posted pictures of all 5 together. They all have slightly different wear patterns. They were all supposed to be 1921 dates not random dates. I guess they're more like silver boullion.
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 Posted 01/02/2021  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a bucket load of goo!
All fakes . Hope you have return privileges!
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Magically the seller doesn't exist anymore. Poof. Oh well I should've known when it said they would take two months to arrive. I've learned a lot lot in the past two months which is why I was pretty sure they were fakes. Thank you for your help everyone!
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Absolutely a fake and probably not silver. Like Pacificoin said, $25 for an 1895 Morgan is not anywhere near the correct cost.
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I was just buying a lot of 5 1921 morgans. They were not supposed to be random dates. I understand 1895 Morgans are insanely rare.
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Oh well I should've known when it said they would take two months to arrive.

Uh Oh, don't tell me the seller was located in China
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Were these coins obtained via ebay? Then at least you might have a chance at recourse.
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Yep. Fake. Also probably NOT silver.
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Probably fakes from China - cut one in half to see what's inside.

I doubt that they really do "pass" all the tests you claimed. Eg if it's silver plated copper or something then it can pass the magnet and ice cube tests but not the ring test. SG will also be off. If thickness/SG is good, then conductivity will be off.

The price doesn't jibe with true silver fakes which would probably only be attempted for rarer dates (check)
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