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 Posted 01/28/2021  6:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tchaulk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My father collected a lot of things. One of those being coins. He has quite a few that I have identified and sorted. However, he has several of these type of coins that I am unsure of. I believe they are Escudo type coins but I am unsure exactly. Can anyone identify these 2 coins? Can you tell me if they are real or fake? The "silver" one seems to have some type of coloration to it if you look close which bothers me. The gold one looks legitimate but I would like to get a fresh set of eyes on it. It looks almost like the cross was double struck in a couple of spots which is disconcerting as well. Thanks for any information you can provide.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The gold ?plated? coin looks to be too obviously round to be genuine and leads me to think it is more correctly termed as a 'copy', rather than a fake.

What is the accurate weight*, and approximate diameter*?

* The accurate weight will give an indication if it is gold or only gold plated.
** The diameter will give and indication of the denomination and original face value.

Further investigation can follow after this.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does the gold one feel heavy in the hand perhaps, or does it 'feel' light? To my eyes, they both look genuine to me, but I'm not the expert on these type coins.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tchaulk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure on the weight. I can try to get a weight on it tonight when I get home Grams?. The size I am also assuming you are asking in millimeters? Still relatively new to this stuff so forgive my lack of knowledge.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tchaulk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and yes, the gold coin does feel "heavy" as I would expect a gold coin of its size to feel.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tchaulk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a quick reference, they are both approximately the size of a quarter or slightly smaller
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 Posted 01/28/2021  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The silver coin appears to be a 1-reale of Carlos and Johanna, Mexico City mint. Looks genuine. I have no experience with the gold.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tchaulk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy Kushanshah, I think you hit the nail on the head! It sure does match up nicely to the Carlos and Johanna 1 Reales I am seeing online. Thank you for the help!
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The first coin is also Carlos and Johanna (1504-1555). A 1 escudo from Sevilla.

The obverse legend is IOANA · ET · KAROLVS · And the reverse is HISPANIARVM · REGES : SICILI.

from the photos it looks okay, but I couldn't say for sure, especially with types I am not completely familiar
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 Posted 01/28/2021  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tchaulk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Victor! Lots of great information. I guess the next step is to take it somewhere to see for sure that they are real.
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 Posted 01/29/2021  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the obverse of your coin matches this one, Seville mint, S * and legends punctuated with single annelets.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1785620

The reverse has some minor differences.

I agree with @sel that it is unusually round and well-centered, but examples of similar quality certified as authentic can be found on-line. If real, it's a beauty!
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Thanks Tdziemia. It does look very similar. The ones I have been seeing online seem to match up quite well. I spoke with Mr. Daniel Sedwick who seems to think they are the real deal. Quite happy at this point.
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the inconsistent wear would have me declining to obtain them
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