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2015 Canada Flag 25 Cents, Possible DDR

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Going through a box of quarters I grabbed from the bank today and found 7 of the 2015 Canada flag coins with no color.

After searching the box I went back and looked at the ones that were collected and put to the side, I noticed that the branch on one of them looked to be doubled, and frosted.

I am hoping to get some opinions on this one, I know that the flag is actually incuse on the design, which means the maple leaf was raised on the working dies and if they shifted or pivoted ever so slightly while being hubbed, I would assume this would be the outcome.

Thoughts?

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the maple leaf was raised on the working dies and if they shifted or pivoted ever so slightly while being hubbed, I would assume this would be the outcome.


Actually no. If the leaf is raised on the die, that means it would be incuse on the hub just like on the struck coin. Hub doubling of incuse elements actually make them thinner. Machine Doubling during the strike would make the elements increase in size and appear like hub doubling of raised elements.

Basically, for incuse elements, Machine Doubling looks like a doubled die and a doubled die looks like Machine Doubling.

See incuse E PLURIBUS UNUM on 2011 US 1c DDR-001: http://www.varietyvista.com/01e%20L...1PDDR001.htm
And see Wexler's mention of Machine Doubling on incuse lettering towards the bottom of this page: http://www.doubleddie.com/144822.html
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Actually no. If the leaf is raised on the die, that means it would be incuse on the hub just like on the struck coin.


For Canadian coins, the working die is the die that strikes the coins. The master punch (raised) is hubbed to make the master die (incuse), the master die is then hubbed to make the working punch (raised) and lastly, the working punch is then hubbed to create the working dies that go on to strike Canadian coins.

So if the maple leaf was incuse on the working punch it would create a raised leaf on the working die that would strike coins with an incuse maple leaf. Hopefully, I didn't lose anyone there but the die making process for Canada and the US is a bit different from everything I have read, at least name wise.
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Based on your explanation hub = punch. Different terminology I guess.

I don't think we're saying anything different other than that word.
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