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Price Trends Over The Last 5 Years

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 Posted 02/07/2021  2:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MartiVltori to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It seems to me that over the last 5 years or so, prices on average run of the mill ancients have had a normal slow increase that seems to be in line with inflation trends. But the scarce and highly collectable issues seem to have gone through the roof. I seem to see prices of 100% - 200% and sometimes even much higher than they would have been expected to fetch 5 years ago.

Is this just me or are you guys seeing this as well. What is driving it do you think?
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You know to do this carefully you would need a coin that trades like wheat or gold it is so plentiful and stable. Then you would need the same auction house. Like an Alexander the Great Drachm of better yet a Persian Silver Siglos as you have less mint issues that might make the study harder. So here you go, "siglos darios spear Achaemenid VF " CNG site search. (I intentionally left a space after the VF so VF+ would not be obtained. That was the hope anyway. And I chose Darios intentionally as there is another common one if I had picked Xerxes only etc.)

https://www.cNGCoins.com/Search.asp...10000&PAGE=1


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A a quote I heard from an old and very experienced ancient coin dealer:
"The rare coins become rarer, the common coins stay common."

Helps to explain the rising prices for rare and desirable ancient coins.
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It's hard not to notice the high prices many ancient coins are fetching these days
Supply seems quite plentiful enough and there is no shortage of options for the collector from online dealers and online auctions
Now I would expect that to depress the market prices
That certainly was the case when ebay became a huge source of "new" material 20 years ago
I still have a very nice Nero sestertius for which I paid the princely sum of $68 !
But then high quality struck fakes and castings made things difficult for everyone
Now today we even have legions of Facebook comedians teaming up with the ebay charlatans to make it treacherous for even the most careful shoppers
I believe the proliferation of quality fakes has helped create this situation
A few weeks ago while snooping around the feedback of a notoriously overpriced seller I saw a slabbed Nero As that for all the world looked to me like an ancient piece of moldy cheese
The selling price was $600 US !
I see coins at auction that have serious corrosion issues and many that look like they were 'cleaned' with a knife and fork and they are fetching big big money
It seems to me like the seller has become more important than the quality of the item sold
Buyers are wary and think that buying slabbed coins or being able to attach a well known name to a purchase makes the price a secondary consideration
For my part I try to avoid playing this game
If the coin is special I will make exceptions
But I refuse to pay high prices for inferior quality
This takes great patience but the rewards are still obtainable
Last week I spotted a Diocletian Lyons "invasion" follis that a seller had mistakenly attributed to London
I have been searching for decent ones for years ever since one of our former regulars (Ian) used to post them
It's in the "bath" at present
But it set me back all of 38€ with shipping and I can live with that !
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02/07/2021 8:19 pm
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I agree that over the last five years prices have increased, this is not only for ancient coins but also for other hobbies. I have been a collect of Japanese swords and Woodblock prints for 50 years now and have seem a drastic increase especially over the last five years. It's been that long since I was able to last buy a sword, the prices have gone up to where I can no longer afford them . Even the prices in prints have in some cases gone up ten fold.

There are still bargains that can be found, for example the current CNG auction has many lots that are going at low prices. It just so happens that I've listed a large portion of my collection in that sale that are currently selling at bargain prices. (Shameless plug).

The point being, yes prices have gone up, but if you know were to look bargains can still be had.
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As has been pointed out above, it is not just ancient coins, but rather a wide range of asset classes. With the value of cash gradually eroding (accelerating after 2009), bonds returning little to nothing, and recently with stocks being so overpriced, people want to flee sitting on specie, and buy virtually anything that will retain value. At first, we saw it with art / precious metals / high end watches, and now there is a seepage to other hobbies / alternative investments as people look for 'under-priced' or fairly priced assets.

This is a double edged sword - it drives up prices for collectors, and creates an asset bubble. On the other hand, it brings in fresh blood to the hobby who might stick around even after the music stops, and it means that it creates selling opportunities, flushing lots of material onto the market which may not have been otherwise available. Both as a dealer and a collector, its about deciding where you stand. I have been using the increased market velocity to do some profit-taking on the selling side, and re-invest at least a bit into buying quality material for my collection. This being said, it is virtually impossible these days to economically buy in decent stuff for resale.

Either way, in a sense, we are in this as a HOBBY, and so its about the pleasure we derive from collecting. For me, at least, that is a constant, and so impervious to market cycles.
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Great post. I agree with all the content, and I am seeing the same trend with prices in early modern world coins (1400-1700)
I just participated in an auction where I did my research, placed my bids, and only came away with a couple of lower grade coins that sold maybe 20% over where I thought they would, hence the "damage" not being very great.

In the era and places I collect, I see the globalization of the TPGs driving up prices, and take this as evidence of people new to the hobby looking for the security of the certification.




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