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Lower Canada LC-58A1 - Medal Alignment

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 Posted 02/12/2021  12:36 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was going through some tokens and noticed that this token has medal alignment, while my old token book only has coinage alignment listed. Has this been noted in the newer Charlton token catalogue, or is it a new find ?

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 Posted 02/12/2021  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gebs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
According to the new Charlton this token is medal alligned
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 Posted 02/12/2021  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blargish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, as Gebs said. That was apparently an error in the old catalogue.

Great example! The reverse is struck-up quite nicely for the type.
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 Posted 02/12/2021  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I graded this many years ago as VF, never seeing another at the time. It is almost as good as the one in my old book, so would it possibly be EF or better ? Would like to see others posted to compare.
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 Posted 02/13/2021  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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TerryT: I graded this many years ago as VF, never seeing another at the time. It is almost as good as the one in my old book, so would it possibly be EF or better ? Would like to see others posted to compare.

Here are 5 tokens of the LC-58A1 variety from my image bank all certified VF-20 by ICCS:
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 Posted 02/16/2021  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone actually have an A1 graded higher than VF ? Even all the VF-20 are not the same. In the old token book, grades go to MS-60 (A2 to EF). Do they really exist ?
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 Posted 02/16/2021  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blargish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an example from the 2018 Doug Robins sale that was listed as "XF". Hard to tell from just photos, but to me, AU isn't a reach.
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And might as well share the one in my own collection. Called it about a VF myself, but as ainsivalavie shows, there is a bit of variation in appearance based on the strike, especially with the dilapidated reverse!
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 Posted 02/16/2021  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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TerryT: Does anyone actually have an A1 graded higher than VF ? Even all the VF-20 are not the same. In the old token book, grades go to MS-60 (A2 to EF). Do they really exist ?

To date, I have about 7000 TPG colonial tokens in my image bank (Accumulated over a period of +/- 15 years). Some varieties are very present (Example with 62 tokens of LC-1/Br#520, 60 tokens of LC-4A2/Br#716, or 369 tokens of PC-6/Br#719), but in the case of other varieties, for some reason, they are not very certified.

And this is the case for the LC-58A1, since these are the only examples I had. But I also wanted to show the inconsistency of the grading in relation to this variety.

For the variety LC-58A2, I have only 6 examples going from F-12 to VF-30.

Here is the one certified VF-30 by ICCS:

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02/16/2021 12:07 pm
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 Posted 02/24/2021  01:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Had a good look at the XF example above and saw the raised dots from a rusted die. They aren't worn down at all (sharpened and adjusted the contrast below), so with only the small usage marks, AU looks correct. Those same rust marks on my token show some wear, the other examples above don't show them.
Both dies must have been worn when they made these tokens. Probably no uncirculated obverses exist (hope to see one though).

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You never know what you'll find on old tokens. There's a "halo" over the ampersand on the XF above and also on my token. While looking at bar ampersands on SCC tokens I found a "halo" on my PE10-8. (PE10-35 has a "spike")


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