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When Is A "Searched Bag" Really An Unsearched Bag?

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On the forum we have had many discussions of "unsearched" rolls and bags of coins.

As a dealer I get bags of LWC all the time in quantities of a few hundred to 5k.

Recently a middle aged woman brought in 10 bags of LWC. Each bag was a 5k bag. Our buy price is 2 cents a coin, as we wholesale them for 3 cents a bag. Though we do have to go through them and look for culls, IHCs, Canadian ect. We also of course look for coins to keep at the shop or to sort into rolls that bring in higher values.

As I gave her her check for $1000 she smiled and said, "don't bother we searched them for all the valuable coins first". Asking if she found anything she said proudly "We found two 1931-S pennies!".

The collection had been her Grandfathers, who had recently passed away. Apparently he had been saving his cents since the 1920s....

This searched collection had Red LWC in every year and most mint marks. Including a very nice 1926-S RB/RD that more than covered the cost of the aquistion. I don't want people to think it was bag upon bag of Red cents. It was not, but the Grandfather must have put away, like we do, coins that he came upon in circulation that were RB/Rd since the 20s. Most of the coins were Philly's with a healthy dose of Denver issues. SF was, as expected in the midwest, not very common. Oth, the old man knew about SF coins and obviously threw every one could find into his bags.

There were some very nice RB IHC, though only a very few would grade MS. Many more, however, would grade XF-AU RB.

As a post script, a month later her brother came in and sold us his nickels. Apparently each of the Grandchildren had inherited parts of his collection.

He had done his homework. We negotiated a very satisfactory price on his collection. He mentioned that his sister had gone "looked it up on the internet" to find what coins to pull, and had apparently just looked at the big four and did find, besides the aforementioned 1931-S', a single 14-D.

The lesson, I guess, is that it depends on who is doing the searching. One of "us" or one of "them".

I do have to say that after decades in the buisness, this is the best cent buy I have made in at least 20 years.
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Neat story!
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I do have to say that after decades in the buisness, this is the best cent buy I have made in at least 20 years.
Excellent!

Thank you for sharing this story.
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When Is A "searched Bag" Really An Unsearched Bag?

When you buy it direct from a mint would be my guess.
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Thanks for sharing! Very nice finds!
Definitely depends on who's doing the searching, and even then, examples get overlooked.

I picked up a 40's-50's LWC bag from my LCS in the early parts of Covid to kill some time for me and the kiddos. I pulled a '36 DDO T1 that ended up grading VF20. Not a grand slam, but certainly an oversight given my LCS searches major varieties and there was only a handful of 30's in the bag.
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When you buy it direct from a mint would be my guess.




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I picked up a 40's-50's LWC bag from my LCS in the early parts of Covid to kill some time for me and the kiddos. I pulled a '36 DDO T1 that ended up grading VF20. Not a grand slam, but certainly an oversight given my LCS searches major varieties and there was only a handful of 30's in the bag.
Time well spent with a bonus.
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I find random unsearched bags, but in my experience, they don't contain valuable stuff.

The only time I score something good is when the person selling doesn't have interest in numismatics and are selling the coins to get rid of them .

An example is when I saw a bundle of coins with a fake 1792 Draped Bust Dollar. But I don't hunt for unsearched bags anymore.
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Virtually 10 unsearched bags of 50,000 cents ? Extremely rare . But you were lucky to stumble to stumble upon them . That's like every small cent collectors fantasy .
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I only consider a bag unsearched when it is unsearched by me.
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I only consider a bag unsearched when it is unsearched by me.
Trust, but verify.
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I handled the "shed inventory" of a coin dealer that passed away in Ottawa in 2018 (Allan Davies). His main inventory was handled by good friend and coin dealer but Allan had a sense of humour and knew I like to search mint bags and such, and had instructed his heirs to contact me for "stuff in the shed". So, after their father's funeral (which I attended), his kids invited me to come clean out the shed...

I gravely feared for the suspension of my SUV, as there were several trips made to that shed carrying many hundred pounds per load. Some stuff was in giant coffee cans, some in canvas bag and many, many sealed mint bags of coins. Of course, being in a shed in a temperature climate in central Canada, some of the bags that were sitting on the ground did not fare so well... some of the mint sealed bags were stained green half way up!

I paid by the pound for 1c and 5c coins, two years later, I still have not gone through it all... (and likely won't).

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I'll raise you one.

Best ever bag I bought was from a guy on ebay. He had it listed as a bag of wheat back pennies and it was around 1500 or so coins. He lived fairly local so I just met with him and picked it up in person. It had 3 1909-S VDBs in there. 2 were heavily detailed due to corrosion or damage, but the third was a choice VF-35. I paid $60 for the bag.
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I handled the "shed inventory" of a coin dealer that passed away...
Oh my!

Pro tip: Do not keep your coins in the shed.
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Hard to believe that a coin dealer would keep bulk and bags of coins out side in a shed and on the ground . If you have the time to conserve the hoard you might at least find a bunch of key and semi-key hole fillers .
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Jeez, the conditions the coins were in. They're destroyed.
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I guess good things happen once in a while.
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