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Unidentified British Half Penny Tokens Broad Arrow J20, Jw, 23/4/14

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 Posted 02/16/2021  09:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add decathlon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello again, here are some more of the tokens I would like some help with indentifying.

some look like they may be of military issue, and there is one dated 23/4/14, with only suitable date of any significance on that day, according to Wiki, being Larne gun running.

Thank you in advance for your help.


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 Posted 02/17/2021  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I find the defacement of the monarch's portrait unusual.

Since generally speaking, the broad arrow indicates government ownership, it doesn't seem to make much sense in so marking regal coinage.

My thought (and this is conjecture, really) would be that perhaps this was done to convert the coinage into a token of sorts, either for use solely in military facilities or maybe in a penal institution (prison clothing once bore broad arrows).

The dated one might correspond to a personal day of significance, such as a birth or wedding, and could've been carried as a pocket piece.

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 Posted 02/17/2021  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not think they are "tokens". The whole point of tokens is that they are a substitute for money; no-one would take an actual piece of money and make a token out of it, especially in a country like Britain where doing so would be illegal.

If I had to guess, the two with broad-arrow stamps were done within a government military workshop during WWI (or WWII in the case of the 1938 penny). The one with the date might simply be the date that whoever made the stamping, made the stamping, though a "memory piece" to (for example) help a guy remember his wedding anniversary cannot be ruled out. for the others, I would postulate the reason for their manufacture might simply be to test the stamps and punches on a convenient piece of metal - a coin - before they go on to use them on whatever it is they were actually stamping in the workshop that day. I would note on the "J20" piece that the broad arrow is actually upside-down, compared to the "J20".

The one stamped "JW" could have been made anywhere, at any time after the coin's manufacture, by anyone, for any reason. Perhaps similarly to the above possibility, someone was simply testing their letter-punch kit on a convenient piece of metal (the splattering of other punch-marks testifies to this possibility), though the alignment of the "JW" does not look random and suggests someone's initials.
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 Posted 02/25/2021  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the W in JW actually 2 overlapping Vs?
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decathlon, you might get some more in-depth commentary from the specialists over at this forum: Official "Post A Counterstamp" Thread....

Here's the link: http://goccf.com/t/126486

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