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Philippines 5c 1917-S Blank Obverse

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 Posted 12/20/2008  9:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add augbauer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good day, Sirs/Madam, is this coins grade a fine?

Image: Philippines-5c-1917-S-Blank-Obverse 1917-1.jpg
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Image: Philippines-5c-1917-S-Blank-Obverse 1917-2.jpg
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 Posted 12/20/2008  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im not sure that this coin is gradeable ,, Its been my experiance that its impossible to have a one sided blank coin that is a struck error, its almost certianly damage and that being the case the coin would not be gradeable .
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 Posted 12/21/2008  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen one sided error coins before.
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 Posted 12/21/2008  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlackSheep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it even an error? Looks like the one side has been filed down a bit. Any way to post a higher detailed pic/scan? Do you have a way to weigh it?
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 Posted 12/21/2008  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I have seen one sided error coins before.


One sided struck coins ?

the minting process has a problem with that , it takes an anvil die and a hammer die to impart the design to the coin ,,both side are struck at the same time .



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 Posted 12/21/2008  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with Metalman. There are a few errors that can obscure one side of the coin, but nothing will produce a flat, rimless obverse or reverse. I think that one side of the coin was ground off after minting and cannot be given a grade. If this is a 1917-S 5c, then US minting standards apply
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 Posted 12/21/2008  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not authenticating this coin. But yes, there are one sided error coins, and I've seen them a couple of times. There is even this new find in the Presidential dollar. The faceless dollar, I don't know if the error of this dollar is authentic.

http://images.google.es/imgres?imgu...1&hl=es&sa=N
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 Posted 12/21/2008  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In respect to Augbauer's coin, I think the photo above provides some good clues as to what happened to this coin
Prior to a coin's striking, the blank planchet was run through an upsetting mill, which forms a raised rim equally on both sides.
When the coin is struck, the pressure pushes coin metal against the die collar, further reinforcing the edge. Even if some kind of strike error produced a blank side, there would be evidence of a rim. As it is, the coin above has a normally struck rim on one side, while the opposite is missing both the design and raised rim. It's far more plausible to conclude one side was ground off. It was a common practice during this time as coins were often engraved on one side as mementos. I enlarged the blank side to see if I could see signs of engraving, but I do see marks that suggest a physical process used to remove the design and rim:

Philippines-5c-1917-S-Blank-Obverse
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 Posted 12/22/2008  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augbauer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sirs, thank you for your efforts. I think this coin may have been damaged in the past due to the severe scratches in its obverse. As to KurtS, Sir, thank you for your perfect explanation on this topic.
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 Posted 12/22/2008  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome Augbauer--I'm imperfect, but I do try to be helpful.
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