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Getting Started In Medieval Polish Coins

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I'm a long time collector, and I've been collecting Greek and Roman coins for 20 years. I've decided to start a 1 coin per king collection from Poland. This is my first foray into medieval coins, so I have a lot to learn. So far, I only have coins of 3 common kings that I picked up in high school, when I was in Poland from 1991-92.

I have a copy of Frynas's book on Medieval Coins of Bohemia, Hungary, and Poland. Are there any other books or websites that anyone can recommend? How about books or references on the coins from post medieval times (1506-1793)? There doesn't seem to be a ton of information that I can find. I don't mind if the reference is in Polish, I can muddle through it.

What about reputable dealers or auction houses that frequently have these coins?

I appreciate any help.

thanks
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to the forum. Sorry I can't provide any info. It's out of my area of knowledge. But it sounds like a great idea for a collection. Best of luck in your hunting!
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.......Not my collecting area but hang tight as there are a few experts on this forum who I'm sure will be along soon and be able to give you the information you need..
ps...Nice theme to collect..

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@tylosaurus, as mentioned by some of the others, there are a few of us here with collections that include early Polish coins, and can provide suggestions in response to your questions.

First, on reference books, @spence is the best source of information. I think he has both Frynas and Kopicki (the latter being the best general reference on Poland over the date range you mention, but in Polish). I have Gumowski, which is in German, and also is pretty good, but is not referenced much any more. The good point on Gumowski is that it is out of print, and inexpensive bootleg copies are readily available.
Perhaps best of all, the Numista (online numismatic) catalog section on Poland is extremely thorough, and contains all the crossreferences to Kopicki. The organization of the listings is a bit strange, but you can get around it by using the search function https://en.numista.com/catalogue/po...ction-1.html

As for sources of Polish coins, there are a lot of options:
1. ebay. There are good deals there if you do your research, but also a lot of lower quality coins at iffy prices. DO NOT buy large coins like thalers on ebay, or any rare Polish type. Fakes abound.
2. Karl Stephens is a U.S. dealer with an excellent reputation for Polish (and other central and Eastern European) coins. https://karlstephensinc.com/
3. WCN (Warszawskie Centrum Numizmatyczne) has weekly online auctions of Polish coins every Thursday. They have an enormous archive of their previous sales, so you can search for past selling prices before bidding. The commission is only 10%, they accept paypal, and shipping price to the U.S. by registered mail is only 25 PLN (about $7.50), and you can accumulate your purchases from several auctions before asking them to send. Their auction site is reasonably user friendly. https://wcn.pl/
4. There are MANY other Polish auction houses, but they all have higher commissions (typically 15-18%), some do not accept paypal, and many of them have gone to courier only shipping to the U.S. due to shipping problems during to the pandemic. Two of the best known are Michal Niemczyk and Damian Marciniak (Marciniak still has a low shipping rate).

Hopefully others will comment on other good sources.

I started an "OFER" (one from every reign) collection for Poland about 20 years ago. I am still missing a few, and as you get into it, you will learn why! That goal morphed into an "OFEY" (One From Every Year) for dated Polish coins from 1507-1795. I have been posting them on the "How Far Back Can We GO" thread http://goccf.com/t/364499 (we are now in the reign of Stefan Batory).





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An added comment, given the goal you mentioned ...

I started out looking for the largest "portrait" coin I could afford, for each reign. Not necessarily the largest denomination. Off the top of my head, the list goes something like this:

Sigismund I - Groschen from Torun or Gdansk mint early 1530s
Sigismund II - 4 groschen (cworak) from late 1560s
Stefan Batory - Groats from 1578-79 are the largest portrait coins, but a nice trojak from Lithuania or Riga will cost less
Sigismund III - Ort (18 groschen) Gdansk mint 1623-1626
Wladyslaw IV - no affordable coins of any denomination
Jan Casimir - Ort (18 g) Poznan, Krakow or Bydgoszcz mint (Gdansk and Torun are much more expensive)
Michael Korybut - no portrait coins, only homely schillings
Jan Sobieski - 6 groschen coins from common dates like 1682, 1683 are availalbe in in quite high grade at reasonable prices. AN ort is larger but will cost more than twice as much in good grade.
August II - Only the 6 groschen 1702 coin is accesible
August III - Good availability of high grade orts and tymfs in 1750s
Stanislaus - 8 groschen coin (dwuzlotowka) from late in his reign.

If you've got the budget for large silver (thalers), there are others here who can give advice, since I don't have any!
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