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Worn Down / Struck-Through '45 S Warnick?

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 Posted 04/01/2021  10:10 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
One thing I find enjoyable about CCF is that as long as the inexpert member remains within reasonable, but still broad bounds, s/he is afforded a license to speculate about numismatics. I would like to run this idea up the pole and see if anyone salutes.

I think the bust on this Jefferson was struck through cloth. I submit that circulation polished away all traces from the high points leaving them preserved in the left-side field and bust recesses. What say you all? Any takers?

Kevin

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 Posted 04/01/2021  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a worn coin, not a struck through.
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Since I've never seen a struck through cloth, of a 79 year old coin, I wondered why you thought this coin was something other than just worn?
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Silver melt coin.
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to me it looks typical for an ordinary circulated 1945
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Quote:
member remains within reasonable, but still broad bounds, s/he is afforded a license to speculate about numismatics


I really like that quote Kcm and I think it is a great way to look at this hobby/profession because we are all learning. There are no dumb questions (well, maybe some...lol) There are sometimes some irrational answers (which I admit to having being guilty of, hey... no-one is perfect..)
Just looks like a really worn out old silver Jefferson that had a lot of dings and scratches prior to the extensive circulation wear and smoothing on the bust and profile. Just my opinion.
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 Posted 04/02/2021  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@PPorro wrote
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Since I've never seen a struck through cloth, of a 79 year old coin, I wondered why you thought this coin was something other than just worn?


Foreword to my response: My OP was cautiously made. CCF calls itself a community. It functions like one. All communities house miscreants. If I found myself in a community devoid of all miscreants, I would leave that dull place to join a more interesting community.

Message to miscreants: There is a vast difference between the poster who asks, "Do you see what I see?" and the poster who says, "I insist that you see what I see!" My post echoes the former, contradicts the latter.

I think this is other than just worn because as I examine the obverse moving from IGWT toward the bust, I encounter a jagged line of demarcation to the right of which I detect a cross hatch patterned surface. The demarcation line I see conflicts radically with the line of the bust. I deem the area to be a phenomenon unlike the detritus that gathers around the devices of an old silver-based coin.

The line juts out from the hair line, descends and then curves up in front of J's collar giving J a ghosted goatee.

The patterned "patch" is most apparent to my eyes in the region of J's eyes and nose. It's absent from the high points: the nostril ridge and the orb of his eye but reappears in the precise texture at the bases of the inaccessible recesses of the bust left of center - canyons protected from normal abrasion, specifically the indent at the temple and the jaw joint. The temple impresses my eyes as a uniform crosshatch. I see no trace of similarity in any of the recesses right of the center of the bust or in the field between Liberty and the bust.

I mapped what I see below. The red area describes my mind's depiction of the shape of the original area. The blue areas map where I see vestigial remnants of the original strike-through.
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Again, my question is simply , does anyone see what I see? I will value a "no" (issued by a studied mind) not one iota less than a "yes" (from such a mind). I deem the potential learning to be worth another chance encounter with community miscreants.

Kevin
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@KCM thank you, now I'm starting to see that rough area off the nose and chin that led you to wonder about cloth strike through. I did do a search and I have seen through grease and other objects, never cloth.

Add a new one if my mind can store that information.

When I see these, I always wonder, how did that happen.
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