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 Does anyone know the percentage of coins that are lost/destroyed vs the number of coins that are in collections or hoards? Do the coin associations such as the ANA CNA have those type of numbers? I know any numbers are suggestive and speculative at best but I just love numbers. Feel free to speculate but include the theory behind your numbers if you can.I'm curious and it would be fun to know.
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Canada
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 There is no actual statistic that states how many coins were lost, destroyed, melted, etc., however, professional Numismatists will state that the survival rate of Victorian, Edwardian and The King George V / VI series are somewhere around 1-to-2 percent. This means that a Victorian Era quarter with a mintage of 1,5 million pieces has somewhere between 10-15,000 pieces currently surviving in all grades combined. Now if you were to ask me the names of all the persons who possess one, that may take me a little longer to figure out!  Glenn
Edited by glenzy1 12/26/2008 11:44 am
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United States
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glenzy1- Only a one or two per cent survival rate!?! That seems way too low.
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Canada
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 I collect all 6 decimals of the Victorian, Edwardian and King George V / VI coinage and appr. 90% of what I own is in I.C.C.S. Mintstate. If you were to check the I.C.C.S. and P.C.G.S population reports on the # of mintstate Canadian Decimal that has been graded by the TOP two services in the past 20 years, there's not much to go around! trust me Glenn
Edited by glenzy1 12/26/2008 12:56 pm
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I would be really happy if the number of surviving coins were 1-2 % that would make some of the pieces I have pretty scarce. So to sepculate further ,none of Vic to George v would coins remain in circulation unless re-entering by accident or stupidity. Therfore any remaing are in collections, so would the answer be in assessing the number of collectors of a given series and date? Then is there a report anyone has published with the combined number of all TPG's,sort of a summary? I quess the answer may be to compile it , but I'm lazy.
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United States
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I did an analysis of the survival rate of the 1c and 25c Victorian coins earlier this year, and the numbers suggest that about 1% of the 1c Victorian coins have survived and about 0.5% of the Victorian 25c coins have survived. And the majority of these surviving coins are low grade - less than VF20 - especially with 25c coins.
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Valued Member
United States
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I did an analysis of the survival rate of the 1c and 25c Victorian coins earlier this year, and the numbers suggest that about 1% of the 1c Victorian coins have survived and about 0.5% of the Victorian 25c coins have survived. And the majority of these surviving coins are low grade - less than VF20 - especially with 25c coins.
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United States
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So if only 1% of these coins have survived, what happened to the other 99%? Wait, do you mean that only 1-2% have survived in MINT STATE or survived as in are still in existence?
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Valued Member
United States
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"So if only 1% of these coins have survived, what happened to the other 99%?"
There gone. Withdrawn, melted, lost, and so on. Once the small issue 1c coins were issued in 1920, the large 1c coins would have been withdrawn from circulation. As for how many Victorian 1c coins have survived in MS condition, perhaps in the area of less than 2% of all coins that have survived.
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Canada
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 Back in the Victorian & Edwardian Era years coinage had a pretty rough going over. First of all they were made of silver, and you know how fast that wears out! Then add on to that average people earned 10-25 cents per day, so do you think most labourers are going to put aside a days wages for a future coin collector who will only be born 100 years later?  Now add to the fact that Northern fur traders drilled holes in their coins so they could string'em around their waist, then add to the "love token" craze of the 1920's Era where everyone and his dog carved their name into precious coins!  Let's not forget all the homes that burnt to the ground during the first half of the 20th Century as a result of poor building standards taking with them hoards of coins. And how about all the poor misinformed souls who cleaned their coins, polished them with harsh agents, improper storage resulting in rust, corrosion, and pitting!  Now add all the coin collections that have been lost in time as a result of overprotective collectors that have hidden them sooo well, they will never be found! (buried in ground, safety deposit vaults, attics, crawl spaces, etc.)  Now do you understand how easy it is where the other 99% can disappear to. When I say there is only a 1-to 2 % survival rate of coins that were minted from 1858-1940 in all grades, this is because of the above mentioned factors. This is confirmed by the population results that the Top Gun T.P.G. Services provide in their annual Reports.  This is the reason I stress to all my fellow collectors of Canadian Decimal from 1858-1967, grab the HIGHEST mintstate grades you can as quick as you can for these years. Ten years from now you'll understand exactly what I mean by that statement! Glenn
Edited by glenzy1 12/29/2008 02:06 am
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Glenn are you saying that Top Gun has the total population of all graders? As I said I'm lazy and very curious.I agree with you they are grossly under valued .I guess this is because of the number of collectors. This site is fun and helps add a new dimension to collecting it will no doubt help turn on a few collectors. On that subject there must be some marketing numbers out there for how many collectors are out there.
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