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 Posted 04/03/2021  10:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mforder to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello All,

My name is Mark. I am here for a few reasons. To learn some things about a few of the subject that your members share, I am also here to learn more about something I call the "Steele Box".


The "Steele Box" and "Copper Plate" origin...

In the mid 1990's my wife worked as a manager in a bank in the town of Newton, NJ in Sussex County. I do not know the exact age of the building. The Original bank from where the "Steel Box" came from was across the square and it was called "The Sussex Bank". The bank building was located on the main square in the town. It was 3 or 4 stories tall and it had a large basement full of dark rooms. This was the kind of basement people just don't wander around in. It had a active 1 1/2 foot stream flowing through it, there were rats and other things around as well. It also had a fallout shelter with boxes and boxes of war rations in it. In the basement there was also an old vault that was no longer being used, it was always open. In it there were a number of things, a box in which I still have.

In case you are wondering why I have the box it's because...
The management of the bank decided to sell the property.
In preparation they reached out to my wife who explained to them the situation in the basement is in dire need assistance.
In order to sell it the bank decided that the basement needed to be emptied and everything needed to be thrown away.
My wife then called the Newton Historical Society who camber and took some things.
This is where I come in....
As the basement was been cleared out they basically looked at nothing, picked it up and threw it away into a dumpster outside. What a shame.
At the end of the day I would go up to see if there was anything that was worth saving. I went a few times and and I could see old news papers from the 1940's and so on, a lot of damp worn out bank papers, some of the rations, furniture, the list goes on an on.
Then one day my wife said the vault in the basement was next on the list to be clear out. The workers were instructed to throw everything into the into the dumpster.
This is when I found the"Steele Box". It was on it's way to the trash heap and I grabbed it, little did I know what was inside.
The box had the another box sitting on top. In it is where I eventually found the copper plate that has President George Washington's writing on it.

More on the "Steele Box"...

Interestingly enough I have done a lot of work looking into what I call the "Steele Box".
What is the "Steele Box"? I can tell you it is a box similar to a old milk box / storage container, wood handles and made of metal. It's about 18 inches front to back, 22 inches side to side and about 18 to 20 inches deep.
I named it the "Steele Box" because it is basically a time capsule for the 1880's from a Mr. Charles Steele.
Mr Charles Steel was a...
Banker
Firefighter
Railroad Engineer of some sort
Local Baseball Player
Fan of the New York City and local theatre as well
In the box there was...
Copper printing plates, one of which has the signature of George Washington on. Mt Vernon is currently researching it.The box also had CDV photo's of actresses (Lotta Crabtree) from the California Gold Rush days taken by a well know photographer from New York City named Jeremiah Gurney. He was ranked up there Matthew Brady who happened to be the person who made the cases for Jeremiah's photos early on. As you know Matthew Brady then went on to take the famous photos which he is well known for of President Abraham Lincoln.
Employee time table from the Lackawanna Railroad, Chicago and others.
Love letters.
A letter that is from a man he knew that was in Cape Horn, South Africa. From what I gather he was trying to evade being captured by the police.
Letters to bring electricity to Newton.
Papers, ledgers, and so on all tied to arranging local Baseball games in the area including New York City in such places as Coney Island.
The baseball team from Newton was made up mostly from the Newton Steamer Co. No. 1, firefighters from that time.
Broadside of the first kidnapping in the United States for ransom, Charles ("Charley") Brewster Ross.
Opera house floor plans from New York City, one of which was torn down and is now where Madison Square Garden is today.
Bill Heads and Broadsides.
Bank Checks
Bank notes that were used as currency before the Federal Reserve been into existence.
....and more. There are over 2,000 pieces of paper (Ephemera) in this box.

As you can see it's overwhelming.


I will do my best to only share what's relevant to the topic that is posted. If you want to see more I have a thread in the area called Covers in the stamp forum.


One last thing, I do have some items, a few error notes, start notes and a few coins that were not found with the box that I will be sharing. I will not bore folks with what seem to be common coins of notes.


---Mark
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04/04/2021 08:04 am
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 Posted 04/04/2021  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That sounds like a very interesting box! If you'd care to post the copper plate, checks, and banknotes on the forum I think we could provide you with some information about them. I suggest starting separate topics.

Just curious -- you said you obtained the Steele Box in the 1990s, why are you only now starting to research the contents?
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to the forum, Mark!
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 Posted 04/04/2021  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mforder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Thanks for the welcome! I will post separate topics if I do have questions and add things to the discussions that are in progress if they are general and 100% related.

As for the question about the box....

"Just curious -- you said you obtained the Steele Box in the 1990s, why are you only now starting to research the contents?"


There are a number of reasons, but I will limit them and I hope that it helps to understand why...

1). When I first acquired the box I did some research, actually quite a bit. Purchased books on ephemera, Newton, NJ, I think on on coins, and another on stamps. To learn about the box itself and the not the values of things became too costly and difficult to find the details of a lot of the papers. I could not go to one resource like we can today. I met with some local folks, Newton Fire Museum, a historian of the Sussex Railroad, and people in the surrounding area including the historian of the Newton Historical Society who seemed to have no interest in it at the time. I in a way ran into a dead end. As I was getting to the end of my research someone told me to to make sure to try your best to preserve the papers which I did. I placed a lot of what I have in separate archival sleeves, put them in binders and placed them back in the box. As I was doing so I would take crude digital photographs that just were not what we can take today.

2). Just after that I took those photos and used them to create a website called "1800's Ephemera" which is gone now. I did learn more about some things and I also had the opportunity to share things that folks used in their research. One thing in particular stands out. There was a Rand McNally map of the city of Chicago rail line. This was a promotional piece of a paper which advertised their maps for purchase. On it was which showed something called "The Calumet Electric Street Rail Way" map. I recall a fellow asking me where it came from because it shows a part of the railway system that his research never uncovered. He was very excited to see it and I'm glad it helped him out. (see images below).

3). After that I felt I could do as much as I could. Life kind of moved on and the "Steele Box" was moved into a closet and remained quietly in there up until just a few weeks ago. As you know back in the mid to late 1990's the internet was not what it is today. there are many more resources out there. Search engines like Google (1998) and Yahoo (1993) were in their infancy, and a lot of the information we see today was just a thought at that time. Websites like this on we just not out there.

4). Just recently I had some time due to COVID and I pulled it out once again and I have stated to look at things more closely and I am finding more an more information about what I have sitting in front of me. Now we have many more knowledgeable people and places like this where people are interested in what's in the box and know about the details of things like them. It makes it much easier to find information about things and share what I have in hopes that folks can see that someone back in the late 1800's somehow knew tat the papers may be of some interest at some point. It's like a time capsule.

5). Finding sites like this one are pretty amazing. People care about things like this. They absolutely have much more knowledge than I do. I felt it was time to try again and bring to the "Steele Box".

I have to be honest here. I have not had the heart to break this collection up. I think if that happened then it would lose much of the connections between the papers and that part of Charles Steele's life and what went on at that time.

I hope this helps,

---Mark


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04/04/2021 08:00 am
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 Posted 04/04/2021  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome! I'm in NJ also did the bank notes look like this:

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Sussex Bank has a lot of "remainder" notes left behind. They are pretty common but still a cool find.
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 Posted 04/04/2021  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mforder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello hfjacinto,

Ha... now that's great! I have some of those too. They were in the same basement ready to be thrown out. I will share what I have in the forum on Bank Notes.

Thanks for the welcome and thanks for sharing.

---Mark
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 Posted 04/04/2021  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mark

I've always dreamed of finding an old time capsule. But I never thought of the work it entailed. Honestly I would probably be interested in the notes and coins and would read the papers but most of it wouldn't be interesting to me. It's good to know that some one took the time to protect the history.

Like I stated the notes from Sussex Bank are pretty common, they are mostly remainders which means that they were printed and never issued. You can get uncirculated ones for $20-$50. I would try to pick the best and get one or two of each denomination, if they are in excellent condition (I would probably sell a few after I picked the best).

Please post more pictures when you can.
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Welcome to the forum!

Just saw your other posts and that's how I'm here. Amazing story!

I saw you mentioned railroad timetables were also in there. I'm an avid collector in that area and if you have questions about those, please reach out.
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hank you everyone for the war greeting, much appreciated. Just in the past week I have learned a tremendous amount. It's fascinating to say the least!
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To the Forum.
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<----------------- JEALOUS of said box!
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