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Counterstamp Or Mintmark? Error Packaging?

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 Posted 06/13/2021  11:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add crab eater to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This has been really bugging me after most of these coins on ebay are listed incorrectly I think.
The packaging of these coins states it is a Mintmarked coin which is a raised letter on its own.
Yet to me it is a Counterstamped coin which is a letter inside a stamped circle.
Here is a couple of examples for comment.
Counterstamp-Or-Mintmark?-Error-Packaging?
Counterstamp-Or-Mintmark?-Error-Packaging?
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Counterstamp-Or-Mintmark?-Error-Packaging?
This last coin has both , a 'C' mintmark and a 'Bluebell' counterstamp just for comparison.
Please help me out here, am I wrong?

Counterstamp-Or-Mintmark?-Error-Packaging?
Counterstamp-Or-Mintmark?-Error-Packaging?
The last photos are of a Mintmarked coin in the correct packaging.
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 Posted 06/14/2021  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@crab eater: Have a look at these two articles, I think your questions will be answered:

- Mintmarks, Privymarks and Counterstamps. What is the difference?

- Identifying One Dollar Mintmarks, Privy Marks and Counterstamps


They were written a decade or more ago, but they each have good, useful information.


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 Posted 06/16/2021  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crab eater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ahhhhhh........ Finally the answer I was looking for.
Thank you very much COMMEMS for your time to post this information.
I have even asked the RAM about this and was given round about information but you have cleared it up for me.
Thanks so much
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@crab eater: Glad you found the information useful! I'm always happy to help when and where I can!


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 Posted 06/19/2021  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think in 2005 the RAM had an article in the Coin and Banknote magazine setting the record straight and standardising what they were doing.
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 Posted 06/21/2021  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Mr T: The links I provided above point to articles that provide clear information on the distinctions!


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Have seen I.S. Wright selling pre 2008 $1 coins on ebay with the emphasis on being 'hand struck' by a coin press at one of the Easter Shows.
As shown above ,the mintmarks on these coins look like a 'counterstamp' when produced at the Canberra Mint.
They could have a 'C,M,S or B' on them although all come from the RAM.
My question is how to tell the difference between a coin that has been struck on a coin press at a Show as it has the same mark?
Some have suggested that the coin press mark is 'oval' and the RAM mark is 'round'.
All coins claiming to be 'handstruck' have a round circle with a letter inside.
I am yet to see both coins side by side as a comparison, could somebody help with a photo of both varieties side by side please.
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Coins struck on a coin press at the Easter show or popup shows are called counterstamp coins and are a letter or shape(Map) in a circle on the coin.
Those coins sold on ebay from I.S. Wright are counterstamp coins and not Mint mark coins. You can tell as counterstamp coins are in circles.
Privy mark coins are in squares except the C one is a raised C.
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 Posted 12/26/2022  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OzLeigh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can't see the mint mark / counter stamp but here is a video of a family minting their own coin:

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I think there has been some discussion somewhere about how to tell if it was counter-stamped in Canberra or at a show and I think you can tell - the pressure of the Canberra press is different to the portable press from memory.
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 Posted 01/05/2023  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crab eater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin should be labelled as a 'Mintmark' as it is pre 2008, not a 'Counterstamp' ?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/404062261563
https://www.australian-coins.com/bl...ference.html
















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 Posted 03/04/2024  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crab eater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS have got this coin labeled wrong.
Should be 'Mintmarked' . Not 'Counterstamped'.
As you can read from past posts above from@ commems
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/404810757315
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The earliest mintmark-dollar coins were indeed "mintmarks", in that the Mint took an actual coin press, with regular coin blanks, around the country to the various coin shows and other shows; a "B for Brisbane" coin was actually entirely struck in Brisbane. But shipping an entire coin press all over the country got too expensive, so they started carrying around a counterstamping machine, loaded with pre-struck coins, instead. So a "B for Brisbane" coin was struck in Canberra, but countermarked in Brisbane. It took them several years to change the label on the wrappers from "mintmark" to "counterstamp". The introduction of the "privy marked" coins, which were essentially regular Canberra-struck coins just given a different mark and marketed at the targeted locations, happened at the same time as the official name change of the counterstamped coins from "mintmark" to "counterstamp".
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To complicate matters worse from 2004-2007 the Royal Australian Mint minted counter-stamped coins in Canberra but also counter-stamped coins on their mobile presses at coin fairs as well.
You can tell the difference by looking very closely - counter-stamped coins from Canberra have very sharp round edges yet the counter-stamped coins from their mobile presses due to less pressure these mobile presses could imapct on coin have weaker strikes hence counter-stamp look shallow and less defined - I have included 2 coins images side -by-side for comparison.

Canberra Press
Counterstamp-Or-Mintmark?-Error-Packaging?

Brisbane Mobile Press

Counterstamp-Or-Mintmark?-Error-Packaging?

Side-BySide Counterstamp (Canberra LH/Brisbane RH)

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 Posted 03/08/2024  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crab eater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your post mrcruise,

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I am yet to see both coins side by side as a comparison, could somebody help with a photo of both varieties side by side please.

Your valuable time to photograph and post the different types of 'mintmarks' on those coins is very appreciated by me.
The 'B' is obviously different compared with each other from the close up shots.
Still calling them a 'Mintmark' though as they are pre 2008 .
So which one is worth more?
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 Posted 03/12/2024  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haven't really followed their price unfortunately
You would think the mobile counter-pressed coin should be worth more because it is rarer but in reality I don't think there would be a great difference in price for either coin
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