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I'm Trying To Figure Out If This Is A Fs801 1991 Penny And S

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Wexler illustrated rotation on the 1991 D so just looking at his illustration was what I went by comparatively
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It's not a doubled die, and certainly not FS-801, so you can stop worrying what Wexler does or doesn't say about that variety.
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I don't believe it's an fs-801 either but it could be like the 1972 series of Lincoln pennies that saw 7 or 8 different varieties. Could some mishap caused the trains conductor to slam on the brakes during this 1991 D Lincoln Penny production. IDK but I see varying degrees of the fs-108. The devices in the word America kind of told the story for me. And similar coins like these. What other rarities or one of a kind 1991 D pennies are there? A mid stage production is all they came up with? You say it's not doubled anywhere maybe not but then that would apply to many other coins that have passed as doubled dies by approval imho
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Also if this coin was blown up to the original size of the building and a surveyor took a level and a transit to the sides of the building where the lines were super imposed on the coin it appears like the coin was struck several times which is not probable unless there was a screw up and the devices appeared to be doubled in both directions
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I think what you're seeing is a plating issue. The copper plating buckled during the strike, clearly splitting below the T in CENT, above STATES, and below the left side of the building. This issue is very common on the 80s-90s zinc cents. Not a doubled die.
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Also both above and on the sides of the building you can see how these super imposed lines taper from one end of the building to the other. And the columns on this particular coin are not uniform in appearance
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I see where the plating has buckled during the strike the the way it is splashed back like throwing a rock in a pool but I'm seeing doubling also of the device am I wrong? I do take into account but politics of the matter also

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Plating bubble or Machine Doubling.
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Which one of these is the plating issue and which one of these is the doubled die and why
To help me understand

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I understand this may not be a good example but I have other examples and questions to bombard you with if you don't mind
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To answer the question about the side by side you posted of the DDO and plating, the top image is a plating issue, the lower one is an extra thickness DDO. Not sure how that's going to help you though since the plating issue is plating blisters not split plating doubling like the coin you have, and the lower one is a Class VI extra thickness DDO, which is not the same class of DDO as the FS-801
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So the serifs on the above picture are inconsequential
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Correct. Class VI doubled dies don't have split serifs. I suggest reading about the various classes of doubled die on either error-ref or Wexler's die varieties.
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I'm sorry there was supposed to be a (?) At the end of that sentence. Because I'm not an expert I'm looking to someone to guide me as to why these anomalies seem to account as doubling in other places. It's either not doubling or it wasn't blessed by the powers that be
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I'm sorry I didn't read your post before I commented. So I'm understanding that it's not the class 6 that you are speaking of. But is it a plating issue and not any type of doubling considered hub doubling which is generally worthless
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