Cool thanks everyone I have been enjoying the site for quite afew years now and it's been great info tho disheartening at times like when you think you got something but the knowledge here is so vast you get shot down immediately since this is my first try at participating I expect that to happen a few times. Hopefully less then more! But I'll be sharing a lot more in the days months years to come and can only hope what I think have even some one like John with such little experience 5000000 is that a lot lol, will agree and say indeed who have got something there! But thanks for the welcome and the info!