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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Even in the True View it's ugly. If I were in the market I would not pay nearly as much for this coin as I would for a lower grade attractive one.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The toning will still knock it down the equivalent of 2 to 3 grades for me, in terms of value.
Would have held all of it's value, if completely untoned.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Toning does not ever affect a Technical grade only the eye appeal of
the coin .
I think there are many of us who would love to own and enjoy
this outstanding rarity .
Heck I still drool over the VF 35 NGC that I owned for years .
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Valued Member
United States
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A hefty dab of Wright's Silver Crean and 15 minutes of elbow grease and it could be an MS-68 most likely.Even proof like maybe!  |
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Moderator
United States
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Toning does not ever affect a Technical grade only the eye appeal of the coin I agree. While the TrueView looks better, the toning is still not appealing to my eyes.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Moderator
United States
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That one is a beauty!  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Toning does not ever affect a Technical grade only the eye appeal of the coin . Agreed, and the "damage" to the eye appeal reduces the market grade. But supposedly the top TPG's market grade. So if they believe this coin has a market grade of 67, they must think it has a technical grade of what 70? |
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United States
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Quote: But supposedly the top TPG's market grade. This may be incorrect, but it has been my understanding that PCGS tends to emphasize technical, whereas the others will bump up for exceptional eye appeal. (Time for me to do some previous topic searching.) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Jack Lee R.I.P. What a couple of Morgan dollar sets he assembled over the decades.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Conservation is a technique to preserve coins with environmental damage. This coin has no such damage. It is simply toned, and that probably adds value and justifies the grade since the surfaces are original. Dip it, and kiss that MS-67 goodbye. You'd now have an MS-65 example if the graders don't bag it which might happen since this is a known coin and the cleaning could not be disguised. Toning can't be removed without some level of surface impact.
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08/03/2021 7:32 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 If memory serves me correct, there were 2 PCGS MS-67 coins...... the Vermeule MS67 (the one in the OP) and the Norweb coin. The Norweb coin was cracked from a PCGS ms-67 holder, and conserved by NCS (trying to get it in a 68 holder). The conservation removed the toning, but left the coin with a chalky grey color. It was dropped to an NGC 66, and I believe that NGC purchased it back shortly thereafter. Ouch. Fan of the toning or not, at least it supports the originality of these pieces and makes them easily recognizable. |
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Valued Member
Canada
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The images are scanned; it has a LOT of *pop*. Plus, it has never been dipped. For a '93-S in Unc-that's a Rarity in itself
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08/12/2021 11:13 pm
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