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Sweden 1906/5 2 Ore Overdate

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 Posted 01/10/2009  9:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ever since I found a 1906 2 Ore with a prominent "flag" on the 6 in the date, I have been studying these details for evidence of the 1906/5 overdate.
Now, thanks to Numismat's post showing several Sweden overdates, I'm now more certain of this coin.

In review of the pertinent details of this 1906 2 Ore, here is the complete date with areas of relief noted:

Sweden-1906/5-2-Ore-Overdate

The "flag" is quite distinct and is partially at the same relief as the 6. The secondary feature below is lighter but quite distinct under certain lighting angles—more so than pic.

Tracing an approximate outline from a 1905 and overlaying the date, I see a close correlation between the overlay and the details outside the 6:

Sweden-1906/5-2-Ore-Overdate

Another view from my QX5--it's very useful to study a coin from several angles.

Sweden-1906/5-2-Ore-Overdate

I think my analysis is further supported by this 1861/57 5 Ore, which shows similar details projecting from the 6:

Sweden-1906/5-2-Ore-Overdate

So I now think I'm done (over)analyzing this one!
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 Posted 01/12/2009  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add russellhome to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice photos of an interesting error. I can understand the process involved with a repunched letter or digit (such as a 9 over a 9, etc). To me, a repunched digit is pretty much the same process and a repunched mint mark. But I don't understand what was involved in an over date. Is it a case where the wrong punch was used initially -- or did they attempt to reuse a previous year's die and intentionally punch over the old digit with a new one?
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To me, a repunched digit is pretty much the same process as a repunched mint mark.

From what I've read/learned about RPDs for the US IHC series, it's suggested those arose when the date punch was incorrectly positioned, inspected and (most) of the mistake ground away and the date repunched a second (or third) time. For minor RPDs, as for IHCs from 1900-08, it looks to me that extraneous digits were polished off only after the final date impression. This might explain why those RPDs are visible mostly inside the loops of digits such as 9,0,and 6.

For US overdates, I've read it usually involves taking an unused or underutilized die from a previous year, polishing off (most) of the previous digits, then impressing new digits. This might explain why overdates are often much harder to see, since a previous date obviously had to be removed, versus the mint catching a slight positioning error on an RPD. Overdates might also have shorter runs if they were a re-used die from a previous year, which might explain the extreme rarity of the IHC 1888/7 (S-1)--as all known copies show evidence of die failure.

Honestly, I'm not sure how the above applies to this particular overdate, except that it was made during a period of similar technology/practices to US IHCs. I'm pretty certain the date was repunched independently after some previous details were ground off. Here the 5 is just a remnant--possibly struck deeper W, or less detail was polished off next to "190".
Obviously, they were not too concerned about leaving small details on the overdate, and did not think anyone would ever notice. Good thing for collectors!
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Is it just me, or is there something sticking out the bottom of the 0 in the date? Looks almost like the knob of a 9.
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Hi, I took a close look under a scope, and I think that ridge on the bottom of the 0 is simply post-mint damage.
It's just a dent that caught the light in that photo, and there's nothing elsewhere on this digit.
Still, good thing to check--thanks!
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