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First Time Interested In Buying A Maple Leaf

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 Posted 08/19/2021  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks vonigohcr for the comparison of the fee.

I'm curious too, what is the group's projections for the price of gold over the years to come?
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 Posted 08/19/2021  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or in more general terms, tell me what your favorite bullion is to buy at the moment, and why.
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 Posted 08/20/2021  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought 6 x 1 ounce platinum Maple Leaf bullion coins un slabbed, over the counter, from a specialist bullion dealer about a year ago.
There are narrower dealer margins for larger purchases.
I paid cash for them, so no extra fees.

On close examination under under a 10x loupe, they appeared to be in absolutely pristine condition.
Would grade at MS-70, but they are only strictly bullion coins anyway, and that how a specialist bullion dealer would buy them back.

I gave 3 each complete with all purchase information to my two adult children. What they do with them, is up to them.

I am a coin collector, not a bullion investor, so I have little interest in their future investment performance. That is for each of my children to figure out for themselves.

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 Posted 08/20/2021  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh man, there are more Maple Leaf choices than I knew. Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium. Cool.
I see the prices of all are dropping lately. I don't understand why. You would think with Covid and other current events they should not be falling. Am I missing something?
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 Posted 08/20/2021  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carlp007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check these threads. They have a informative discussion on spot prices.

http://goccf.com/t/391569

http://goccf.com/t/391823

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 Posted 08/20/2021  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks.
Honestly, I'm surprised at the concern in those threads given Gold's excellent returns in recent years. And prices are still very near all time highs.
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 Posted 08/20/2021  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the help guys. I just sent a donation as a thank you to the community. :)
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 Posted 08/20/2021  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Honestly, I'm surprised at the concern in those threads given Gold's excellent returns in recent years. And prices are still very near all time highs.
Unfortunately our icon maker doesn't have an [I Disagree] image...

I am not at all surprised at the commentary. All precious metals (Silver, Gold, Platinum, Palladium, Rhodium) are essentially commodities whose value is subject to a number of factors. On this forum, we focus on numismatic uses and that can often lead to numismatic tunnel vision. All PMs have industrial uses and in the case of Gold (others less so though silver is in second place) as an investment instrument. Where PMs are used as investment instruments, they are primarily a hedge against currency fluctuations. PMs do not grow... at all. If you buy an ounce of gold... in 10 years, you will have an ounce of gold. where as $2K in the bank at even a meagre 1% interest is worth over $2,200. PMs are a hedge against devaluation of the currency in the hope that $2,000 invested will convert to more than $2,200 in 10 years. Remember though... it could just as easily be $1,500. <Check a long term timeline for Platinum>

With their industrial uses, there is a reason and mechanism to keep the values within boundaries. Supply and demand require that if the price increases beyond a certain range, demand will drop as the products that use the PM will price themselves out of the market; the resulting oversupply will reduce the price and the balance is retained.

The rise of alternate hedge instruments such as crypto currencies has diluted some of the $$ going to gold. Whether cryptos last or not is not the question... they are here as of today and diluting Gold's use as an inflation hedge.

Gold and Silver are also subject to some degree of manipulation by big players... whether this is real or not; it is common perception and perception is often reality. You see this in the difference between the price on paper and the price of physical. There has been conjecture that should everyone holding gold or silver certificates request that the certificate be converted to physical, there are insufficient supplies to meet the demand and it is this disparity that causes the spread between the market and retail price of PMs. Again, whether true or not, it reinforces the perception that there are conspiracy theories everywhere. When that happens, the price is often subject to emotional drivers rather than economic or objective.

Which leads to the biggest distorter of values in a traded market... the technical analysis... When you use dots on a chart with absolutely no perspective on what underlies the dots then all that is happening is gambling, relying on the hope that others are using similar analysis tools only that yours is 1 day ahead. The company I work for is publicly traded and has met their published growth targets every quarter for the last 5+ years but the stock trades in a 5% range week over week. There is no reason for it but you can always tell when some analyst issues a new model and predicts... without understanding the company's market... that the stock is set to (soar/plummet) depending on their dots and lines on the chart. There are tens and possibly hundreds of drivers into the demand and therefore price for PMs as a commodity... Technical analysis factors none of them but since the big brokerage houses use technical analysis programs and have vast sums of money to throw around, they are one of the larger "thumbs on the scale" when assessing the price on any given day.

All of this is a long winded way of saying... Bullion metals are not a growth investment... they are a hedge against currency fluctuation and may be in the process of being supplanted by alternates. Any day to day or even month to month trend cannot be understood by simply evaluating a single driver...

I am a big proponent of silver and gold coins... both numismatic (NCLT) and bullion but I am drawn to these as a collector... not an investor. It is my hobby and if I see a positive return then double thumbs up. For my retirement, I have real investments ... stocks, deposit accounts etc... I don't rely on my hobby to fund my retirement or even pay for that holiday I am planning when we can again all travel.
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 Posted 08/20/2021  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree Gold and other PMs have some new competition. I deleted my mention of it in a previous post here for fear a new-member could get banned for using the B-word.
When Googling for a bullion forum to get my questions answered on, I was lead to a different forum. I discovered new members could not create new posts, but they could talk on existing ones, one I picked was on a crypto. I found myself banned with no reply from the admin the next morning. I was rather shocked, I have never been banned from anywhere before.
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 Posted 08/20/2021  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
vonigohcr is spot on (ha ha) with the analysis and observations. FWIW I spoke with several millennials this year who are buying baskets of cryptos and have zero interest in PM.

Since you are in the US the large online US dealers are a good option.

Cheers!
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 Posted 08/20/2021  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, I'm a millennial and a trader :)
I took interest in Gold recently because I noticed the negative sentiment around it was characteristic of a market bottom. The trick to making money is buying after everyone bails, then sell when demand comes back. The Aug8 bounce looked promising as a bottom, so I bought some 'paper' gold at 1744.
If people get scared of the USD, it won't matter how high cryptos go, PMs will go up too.
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 Posted 08/20/2021  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another way to look at traders is as price smoothers. They 'eat' volatility and help stabilize the price.
All those indicators and analysis are intended to predict human emotion and front-run it. Not so much front-running the other traders, though on short time scales that is important too.
That's good for holders too. In this case, my money flowing into the market is pulling it back from the abyss. And later when price starts flying higher, I will remove my investment.
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 Posted 03/06/2022  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add s9josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quote "The Aug8 bounce looked promising as a bottom, so I bought some 'paper' gold at 1744."


It's been 7 months and this has aged well. I did figure out what you guys meant by 'paper' gold, and mine is not that. I own PAXG, which is a deed to real gold bars with serial numbers in the UK. I did decide not to sell though, just because the world situation could get even worse. It's a life long investment now.
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