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Some Other Ancient Coins To Identify

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 Posted 02/28/2006  3:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add X11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello once again,

I also have these coins . They were brought from the north of Lebanon. Can anybody identify any of them. Do they look real? I have not cleaned them because I don- t really know what product to use,I guess it depends on the metal they are made of.

The file names 3 and 3a are from the same coin and so on.

thanks

Hugo

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 Posted 02/28/2006  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are a lot of coins here and I have lots and lots to learn about ancients, so this is going to take some time. You may want to see what you can find out on these sites while I'm looking also:

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 Posted 03/01/2006  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you acquired these in Lebanon, then I must say I'm skeptical about them. As with most Middle-eastern countries, it's effectively illegal to export ancient coins without a licence. I cut-and-pasted this off a Lebanese archaeology site:

This is the Law of Antiquities Lebanon has today. It does not allow the illicit export or import of antiquities, nor does it permit illegal excavations. Though it is perfectly adequate on paper and could, in fact, put a halt to clandestine digs and the illicit traffic of looted Archaeological materials, the law has not been adequately implemented, especially in recent years.

If any of your coins are genuine, they may well have come from a illegal excavation and would not likely have been readily available to a casual visitor. Most of the finds from illegal digs are smuggled straight out of the country in exchange for hard cash.

Strangely enough, it's usually perfectly legal in these same countries to make (and sell for sale to tourists) copies of ancient coins. It's the sad tale of many a tourist, to bring home their coins they bought overseas, only to be told when they get back home that their "ancient coins" are modern copies. Sadly, such an experience puts many budding collectors right off the hobby entirely.

And so we come to the coins themselves. This is what they purport to be:

Coin 3: Roman Provincial bronze from the city of Antioch (now in Turkish Syria), Emperor Phillip I (244-249 AD), catalogued (Sear Greek Imperial #3958) at £35.

Coin 4: Tetradrachm of the city of Aradus (an island off the Lebanese coast), year 136 (=123 BC). Catalogued (Sear Greek #5991/2) £100-£120. It's supposed to be silver.

Coin 5: Roman Provincial. Can't say too much more; the legends are too worn and blurry for me to ID the emperor (it's bearded, so it's a later emperor, 100-250 AD). City name appears to be Alexandria, though there were several cities by that name.

Coin 6: Roman Provincial bronze, apparently of the colony of Heliopolis (better known as Ba'albeck, Lebanon), Empress Otacilia Severa (244-249 AD), wife of the guy on coin #3. Not in Sear.

Coin 7: Looks like a classic Alexander the Great tetradrachm, circa 300 BC Sear#6713 to 6726, except that's clearly not silver. I paid AU$400 for a silver one here in Australia.

Coin 8: looks like a "swastika-labyrinth"-type stater of Knossos, Crete, similar to Sear #3216 (circa 300 BC) but with portrait of Zeus. It's supposed to be silver, too.

Such a mixture of coins from all sorts of origins and such a broad timescale is not normal for a single source, especially for Greek bronze coins; for example, coins from Crete would rarely leave the island.

Coins 4, 7 and 8 are highly unlikely to be authentic; the metal is just wrong. Speaking of colour, they all seem to have the same reddish tinge. That, and the coarse grainy appearance all the coins have, would make me very suspicious. Pitting can be caused by peculiar burial conditions, but most often it's because they're cast copies.

Conclusion: it's most likely these are all cast copies. Sorry.
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Hello,

Sorry for a delayed reply. Thank you very much for the information. I will try to get some more info in coin dealers here in portugal.

Best regards

Hugo
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quote:
Originally posted by Susanlynn9

There are a lot of coins here and I have lots and lots to learn about ancients, so this is going to take some time. You may want to see what you can find out on these sites while I'm looking also:

Wildwinds
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CoinArchives.com
Ed Snible Numismatics

- Your no 5 image looks like Antoninus Pius Emperor 138-161-AD. Must be able to read inscriptions in order to make positive ID's
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Unless the legends can readily be read- ID will be extremely difficult. However by the portrait of no 6, it does appear to me like it could be Philip 11- Or Marcus Julius Severus Philppus. He was murdered soon after his father was killed while battle the Legions of Trajan Decius. This would have been 249-250AD - I am only going by the portrait in this case- and that is not certain.
IF you are going to collect Ancients, I suggest for a beginner start with an inexpensive handbook such as Roman Imperial Coins- by Zander Klawans It has a world of information in it. Habiru001
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quote:
Originally posted by Susanlynn9

There are a lot of coins here and I have lots and lots to learn about ancients, so this is going to take some time. You may want to see what you can find out on these sites while I'm looking also:

Wildwinds
Classical Numismatic Group
CoinArchives.com
Ed Snible Numismatics

This no 7 appears to be Zeus holding falcon on the reverse of this coin - The legends (illegible to me) do not appear to be Greek - IS the coin a copper-bronze composition.? Habiru001- Call me Dewey
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