2021-D Lincoln Shield DDR?

Just received an answer from James Wiles of VarietyVista about the (?) in their numbers listing the 2021D-DDR.

I'm very skeptical of this being a true doubled die.

There is only one other listed doubled die with doubling in this area: 2012-P WDDR-004. And it just doesn't look like it.

The 2012-P has doubling that overlaps the higher relief stripes, the 2021-D doesn't.
The 2012-P has doubling that tapers off as you get further out from the center of the doubling, the 2021-D doesn't.
The 2012-P has doubling that isn't perfectly centered and symmetrical relative to the rest of the design (it's offset), the 2021-D is.



I just don't think these two have the same cause. And I'm very confident in the 2012-P being legit.

Unless the 2021-D is a whole different class of doubled die than the 2012-P, which doesn't fit the current understanding of doubled dies in the single squeeze era.

If by banner you mean the thick raised element between EPU and the vertical stripes (I'm not sure banner is the right word?), then both. Wexler didn't seem to try to photograph it at all but the higher relief stripe is also slightly doubled to the southeast. Here's my post from when I found it, I think I have a few pics there that show the stripe doubled as well: http://goccf.com/t/297687

But its also important to note, if the doubling on a true doubled die is perfectly north-south then it likely won't show any clear doubling of the stripes.




Now that we've finally seen a few legitimate single-squeeze doubled dies come out of Denver (2018-D 1c DDO-001, 2016-D 10c WDDR-001, and others) we know that they are noticeably different than ones from Philly. Mostly the location of the doubling differs. Areas were you'd expect doubling to be unlikely on Philly coins are the only ones that show up in Denver. So maybe there is either some difference in the hubbing process between Denver and Philly we're just not aware of yet.

It's late for me, I'm just throwing ideas out there.

I would like to see more examples of this 2021-D turn up and for someone to note some good die markers so we can determine if this is from a singular die or multiple.

Thanks Tanner and Coop.
Yes that horizontal bar. Lol it was late for me also. I actually removed that I wasn't sure how to explain.
I thought this morning. Dah the banner is where ONE CENT is

I think just going to hang loose wait n see mode. Let's open a few more roles and see if I'll come up with different problems.
Like that 21D with something between Verticals 2&3