Two Coins, Possibly Old English. 1600's Perhaps ? (Id: 16th Century England And 13th Century France)

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JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 11/10/2021 11:17 am As you can see, two somewhat battered and clipped/worn coins. Is is possible to offer any idea of what they might be ? I was thinking old English but ...? left coin weighs 0.4g, very thin, diameter about 15mm. right coin weighs 1.0g, diameter about 18mm. Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers Brian. Report this Post to the Staff

Princetane Pillar of the Community 4628 Posts	Posted 11/10/2021 12:25 pm My guesses - first of all both coins are much older than you think! The one on the left is Queen Elizabeth, the weight throws me as a penny would weigh 0.5 to 0.55 of a gram (A 6d weighed 3.1grams on average), but I suspect this was the one off denomination used then - a threefarthings (¾d), a coin created solely to help traders that sold a farthing's (¼d) worth of produce and the buyer handed over a penny. This coin however is way too large and the ¾d piece was always dated this is not. It could be a halfgroat which seems strange as a halfgroat (2d) would weigh at least 1 gram. The other choice is that coin is from Queen Mary I (1553 - 1558) which would be much rarer - Lizzie seems likely as her coins are more common and seen. The other coin is much older and clearly the right weight to be a Medieval penny size coin that is not British, one side has a thick cross in the middle and I suspect this coin is French (Denier) or German (Pfennig) and likely to be from the 12th or 13th century. However I am sure someone else knows a lot more. Hope this helps a bit. Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 11/10/2021 1:06 pm The coin to the right is a French denier (yes, @Princetane) by Philippe II, minted in Tours around 1205-1220. Obverse inscription reads PHILIPVS REX, reverse + TVRONVS CIVI. These are more rare than deniers of later Philips (not surprisingly), so it is a nice find. They are usually in no better condition than this one. Here is one sold by cgb: https://www.cgb.fr/touraine-saint-m...66518,a.html Edited by erafjel 11/10/2021 1:06 pm Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 11/10/2021 1:17 pm Goodness me, thanks both. I certainly wasn't expecting such a wealth of information. Cheers Brian. Edited by JBL 11/10/2021 1:56 pm Report this Post to the Staff
pinpoint Valued Member Netherlands 99 Posts	Posted 11/10/2021 1:27 pm Coin on the right : Denier Tournois , Philippe III ( from 1280) , Philippe IV ( 1285-1314) reference : Dy. 204 var. Regards , Pinpoint Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 11/10/2021 1:57 pm Again, thank you. Brian. Report this Post to the Staff
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