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3 Coins - China, India And A European One?

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Need help figuring these out -

The first appears to be copper, dated 1711 and says Hispaniarum rex, Phillip V, a little bigger than a quarter.

The second is from Rep. of China, made of silver and weighs 5.2 grams. My question - it looks a lot like Y#335, but with legends more similar to the smaller 10 cent Y#334. Is this normal, or a mule of some sort?

The third is from India, date looks like AH 1172, Arcot mint and a half-rupee size (5.7 grams silver). - I cannot find anything of the sort in the 18th century Krause book. Is it un-listed?

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3-Coins---China,-India-And-A-European-One?

3-Coins---China,-India-And-A-European-One?


3-Coins---China,-India-And-A-European-One?

3-Coins---China,-India-And-A-European-One?


3-Coins---China,-India-And-A-European-One?

3-Coins---China,-India-And-A-European-One?
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First coin is 1711 King Philip V (Felipe V)seisenio de Valencia (Valencia, Spain) about 6 maravedis
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#2 is Y#335 the 20 cent coin at 5.20 grams and appears to be a regular issue for the PU YI Wedding.
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Thanks guys,
echizento - It looks different from the picture in Krause (the side with legends). Maybe Krause used a different picture? Or are both of them normal versions of Y#335?
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Ok, I see what you are saying. The date is the same 1926 but the bottom inscription is different along with the value in the center. The weight is the same at 5.2 grams, yours could be a variation not listed in krause. Have you checked Zeno.ru they may have this coin listed?
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What's interesting is that the Chinese one has the logo of the bank of Japan.
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I just checked zeno.ru and your coin is listed there as the 20 cent (20 Fen- 2 Chiao) 23 mm and 5.42 grams. It appears that Krause used the wrong coin in the book.
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The 3d coin is Madras Presidency in Krause XIX century. AH1172 is a frozen date
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Alex - Thanks a bunch! Without knowing it's a frozen date I would never have found it in my books.

WD - Which part is the logo of the bank of Japan? It would be good to know for future reference.

Echizento - Yea I found the one on zeno.ru as well. Krause confused the heck out of me. I also found one in ebay's completed items in AU that went for over $130, which seems to be way over the listed prices. Weird...
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Why is the N in the Spanish coin (HISPANIARUM, reverse) rectograde*? Does that add any value?

*don't know if it's the correct word.
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These coins were minted from 1709 to 1713 and each year has 2 types, the normal N and the retrograde N, values are the same because this being common on every year minted. Common errors during that era because of illiteracy, if you would like to call them errors.
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Thank you for explaining
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You're Welcome DL20K
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What's interesting is that the Chinese one has the logo of the bank of Japan.

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Which part is the logo of the bank of Japan? It would be good to know for future reference.

The "logo of the Bank of Japan" is at the top, the circle with four points, as seen on the BoJ website; you can also see this logo on Japanese banknotes. More formally, this logo is held by two lions, as seen on the Wikipedia page.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find out for how long the Bank has used this symbol, nor what the symbol means to them. It's use on a Chinese coin cannot be pure coincidence, though it almost certainly does not mean "made in Japan". I would assume it has a meaning common to both cultures, something like "prosperity" or "guardian". But I'm just guessing.
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Interesting, the Bank of Japan logo didn't cross my mind.

Here might be an article related to it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nishihara_Loans
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