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Hey guys, need some help figuring these out. KM #'s where available are also appreciated.

First coin is a "cash" size.
Second coins is small, thick and heavy.
Third coin is very small.
Fourth coin is the size of a US cent.

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I can tell you #3 is Pudukkottai Independent Kingdom (India) KM#6 Amman Cash (1889).
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#1: the top character is too worn to be absolutely certain, but I think it's a cash coin from mediaeval China, the Song Dynasty, emperor Ren Zong during his Jin You era, which lasted from 1034 to 1038 AD. You can see some similar coins here on zeno.ru. Despite it's age, these coins are almost as common as more modern cash coins.

The "star-shaped" hole is a mild "mint error", caused by the rod that makes the holes nice and even being pushed on crooked, then pushed on again the right way around. I don't think "star-holes" gain much of a premium.

It's obviously too early to be listed in the Krauses; the catalogue references you might want to know are Fisher's Ding (FD)#901, Schjoth #494 and Jen #220. I've only got Jen, so that's the only one I'm really sure of.

#2: I'm normally reluctant to answer questions on Islamic coins, especially Indian ones, but I'm fairly certain I've got this one right: Sultanate of Delhi (in what is now India), billon (base-silver) 2 gani of sultan Mohammed II; you can see several examples of this coin on zeno.ru, like this one. These coins are dated, but unfortunately, the date is in the text written around the circle on the lower pic, which doesn't look too readable on your example.

Shah Aladdin Kiliji, known to numismatists as "Mohammed II" because "Mohammed" was the name prominently placed inside the circle on his coins, ruled from 1296 to 1316 AD.

#3: easiest of the four: a tiny 1 cash coin from the tiny Indian state of Pudukkottai, undated but struck sometime between 1889 and 1906. Listed in Krause as KM# 6.

#4: There's just enough of the text still readable to be able to ID this one: Republic of Venice (Italian States), 12 denari (also known as a 1 soldo), undated but issued during the rule of doge (or duke) Alviso Mocenigo IV (1763-1778). While Venetian minor coins prior to 1750 aren't listed in Krause yet, this one appears to be listed in the 1700's Krause, KM/C# 49.

The obverse (bottom pic) shows the doge kneeling before the Winged Lion of St Mark, legend S.M.V. (Saint Mark of Venice) ALOY.MOCEN (the Latinized name of the doge), with the denomination "12" beneath the exergue line. On the reverse, Christ standing, with legend DEFENS NOSTER (Our Defender) around.

Unfortunately, as you might observe from the "IV" after the doge's name, there were three previous doges also named "Alviso Mocenigo", in 1570, 1700 and 1722; the "DEFENS NOSTER" type of 12 denari were issued back into the 1600's, so your coin could be older, from the time of Alviso Mocenigo II or III (apparently their coins had identical titles), but there's no way to know for sure.
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Thanks a bunch Sap! Great info.
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