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Mexican Token Hacienda Cieneguillas Question (Grapes Token)

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 Posted 04/08/2022  4:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CollectingGuinea to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me clarify a question.

I recently got a very nice Token from Mexico with some grapes on it. The date says 1824 and I really like the design.

Turns out I couldn't find it on any of the books I own, and internet resources are scarce on this piece.

Some Facebook "expert" immediately got defensive telling me it is a fake token and I should take it down. Literally just asking on information about it.

After some more research I found a very similar design which is the Cieneguillas Hacienda token, and from which mine (if really a fake) was modeled after.

The thing is, it does look sufficiently similar to be a totally different piece, and I wonder if it can be some sort of variety. After all, it is a token and not a government emission.

Does anybody know where to find some more information about it?

Thanks in advance!
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Authentic Cieneguillas Hacienda Token
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 Posted 04/09/2022  08:55 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Russell Rulau's Latin American Tokens, 2nd Edition lists it on page 18. It is designated as Agu-26. He lists various stamped numbers, but 16762 is not one of them.
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 Posted 04/09/2022  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CollectingGuinea to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you nss-52, that same entry tells directly that the token I got is a fantasy concoction!


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Unbelievable you were able to pinpoint it so fast, while a whole bunch of "experts" on Facebook were simply offended I asked for information!
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 Posted 04/20/2022  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Veton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations, nice token. It is 1/8 real, it is known as "tlaco".
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