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MiloandOtis New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 02/07/2009 6:56 pm This is a glass beaded waist band or wrist band with a whole bunch of coins that have a ship and Plus Ultra on one side and the other says Nurnberg RECH.PF One of them has a name J.M. Zeiser. RCH PFEN Its quite beautiful with the glass beads but I can't take a picture of it all and post it ,,too big. My mother in law gave it to me, it was her mother in laws who gave it to her.. my mother in laws mother in law fled Armenia back in the days when if you had the money you did! Yes they were all Armenians. Some of them barely escaped with their lives. Any ideas? Image: 1.jpg 89.88 KB Image: PlusUltra.jpg 88.87 KB Edited by Sap 02/12/2009 06:49 am Report this Post to the Staff

echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 02/07/2009 8:01 pm , This does not appear to be a coin or token. It looks like some kind of charm made for this piece of jewelry. Report this Post to the Staff
MiloandOtis New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 02/07/2009 8:49 pm Thanks Echizento, I just added another picture from the same beaded band. After researching through this site it looks like a jeton, a Nurnberg jeton. Wonder what its worth or its age? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16809 Posts	Posted 02/07/2009 11:44 pm Yep, they're rechenpfennigs, or Nuremberg jetons. I think these "PLUS ULTRA"-with-ship jetons date from the mid-1800's to the early 1900's. A google search found a few similar for sale for a few dollars each. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
MiloandOtis New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 02/08/2009 07:23 am Wow , thats great! There must be 50 of them sewed onto this silk band with all these beautiful beads. SOme of the jetons have the name of the maker JM Zeiser on them. THey must be about mid 1800s that makes the most sense because they traveled with my husbands Armenian ancestors when they fled Armenia. This thing looks like something a gypsy would wear even though his ancestors weren't gypsys! By the way Sap, I am so sorry to hear about the fires in Australia. First the floods near Sydney and now the fires in Victoria! I hope you're ok? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16809 Posts	Posted 02/08/2009 08:01 am Quote: Wow , thats great! There must be 50 of them sewed onto this silk band with all these beautiful beads. SOme of the jetons have the name of the maker JM Zeiser on them. THey must be about mid 1800s that makes the most sense because they traveled with my husbands Armenian ancestors when they fled Armenia. This thing looks like something a gypsy would wear even though his ancestors weren't gypsys! Well, these will be less valuable individually because of the holes - they didn't come holed. The band is probably more valuable as a whole piece, rather than if you pulled all the jetons off of it. Many cultures in the Near East and Middle East (which probably also includes Armenian) decorate their festive garments in gold coins - and, for folks for whom gold is too expensive, brass copies of gold coins are good enough. Brass copies of Ottoman gold coins are commonly seen here on the forum; example. These jetons most likely served the same function. Quote: By the way Sap, I am so sorry to hear about the fires in Australia. First the floods near Sydney and now the fires in Victoria! I hope you're ok? I'm in Brisbane, in southern Queensland. The floods are all up north, a thousand miles away (literally) and the fires are all away down south. I have a cousin in Ingham, the town worst-hit by the floods, but I don't know any Victorians. Here in Brisbane it's been hot (as usual in summer) but only slightly damp. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 02/08/2009 08:20 am That's interesting I've haven't seen this type of jeton before. Report this Post to the Staff
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