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Kind Edward The ? Of England. Final One I Need Help With.

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 Posted 03/09/2006  8:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KLD to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I thought I would start a new thread as the other one was getting a bit long. (however full of information).

Here is coin four.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c...045edrev.jpg

It is from the Cantabury Mint.

The coin itself is not in the best grade.

Still great detail. I can see two prongs on the crown and the kings chin is narrow as oppose to square.

I had a look at the lettering, but can't make head or tails of it.

Am I correct in saying this is a EWDARD THE 2nd Issue? (My guess)

Again your help and insight is greatly appreciated.

Lars
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 Posted 03/10/2006  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ętheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm very difficult coin to see, but the crown does appear to be of Edward II style. Edward II coins are usually worse in quality than Edward I too. Does the coin say EDWARR ANGL DNS hYB? If so it's most likely an Edward II.
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 Posted 03/10/2006  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KLD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I studied this coin for ages, sorry about the photo.

I can not read any of the writing. Some of it has worn away and the other is just hard to read.

I did see what looks to be a large "V" under the kings chin?

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 Posted 03/13/2006  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ętheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The V is just his shirt collar.
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Hi,

The final one I need help with is from the London Mint.

Now this one is in poor condition, the worst one I have. However it is a lot smaller and thinner then the other pennies. Is this wear? or is it another denomination?

I have been told it is a King Edward coin but which one, due to the poor condition I have no clue.

Can anyone please help me?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c...4-edward.jpg

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Edward I by the looks of it, it appears to have a trifoliate crown, i.e three prongs on the left hand side of the crown. There'd be three on the right hand side too but I can't see that side as it's gone.

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Update on distinguishing between Edward I/II coins. I've been talking to another collector about this and after some reckoning and some misinformation I can now say that I was inaccurate on one piece of information.

The Coincraft catalogue incorrectly stated in its line drawings that Edward II issues read EDWARR ANGL DNS HYB, this is incorrect they all read EDWAR ANGL DNS HYB, the only coin with the extra R is a Class 10b (and maybe a coin of Class 9 but I've yet to verify that).

Looking back at Coin 4 I'm not sure it is Edward II you know, it looks like a dead ringer for a Class 10B. The thin chin is very Class 10B! The crown threw me...

Here's a Class 10A for comparison (only difference is 10A has a trifoliate (three prong) crown rather than a bifoliate (two prong) crown, and the legend on 10A is EDWARD rather than EDWARR).

10B is similar to 10A but not the same. Here's the 10A compare to your Coin 4.

Kind-Edward-The-???-Of-England.-Final-One-I-Need-Help-With.



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Thanks again for the information. I think I understand what you are saying.

My coin 4 then you think is a late Edward the 1st issue? Or is it one of those 1302-1310 issues were it could be either?
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It's an 'either or issue' being that it's a Class 10 (1302-10)

The problem with these is there's alot of contradictory information out there which only adds to the confusion.
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So if one said one or the other, they would not be wrong.

What did you think of the last one?

I really do appreciate your help.
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Yes you could say either.

Last one is definately Edward I, I can't tell you any more than that though because there's not much detail on that one.
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Thanks for that.

Can I ask what denominations did they have back then?

What denomination do you think this one is, I would have said straight away penney but it is marginally smaller?
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Pennies, halfpennies and farthings. Halfpennies are somewhat smaller than pennies and half the weight, farthings are tiny things being but a quarter of the weight of a penny.
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Is there any marks that would help define it?
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I presume you mean defining Coin 5 further?

You'd need a reference guide with pictures of each class, sit down with the coin in hand and study them until one looked similar. Near impossible to do based on a photo, to do that with a photo it'd have to be a really, really good one.

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No Sorry didn't mean define the monarch. More so the denomination.

I am just a bit curious as the size is a bit smaller a lighter?
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