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 Posted 07/17/2022  07:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add recollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
first, can toning only occur on mint state coins? or can it occur on worn coins also?

next, why are some coins toned rainbow others blue, others yellow,

and how to look out for faked toning? (other than looking for even toning across the surface rather than on the high parts of the coin)
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Beautiful rainbow toning is just an attractive form of very mild surface corrosion, and in that transitory state, can be unstable.
If you like this type of toning (as most collectors do), the coin has to be preserved in it's current state by complete isolation in an airtight capsule. Slabbing is not enough to achieve this most effective method of preservation.

Toning can and does happen on all coins,
but attractive toning is at it's best occurs on high grade silver and bronze coins.

Toning can have huge variation in it's presentation on coins, from highly attractive to downright ugly. Always, it is the differing prevailing environments and length of time which can produce this huge variations in toning.

Some of the best examples of highly attractive toning I have come across are, unfortunately, fake. In some of these cases, it can be very difficult to determine with 100% accuracy, if the the toning fake or not.
For this reason, I do not ascribe any extra value to a coin with nice toning, but I sometimes devalue the coin if the toning affects the grade.
In almost all of these cases the toning (or patination, or corrosion, or whatever you may call it), looks very un attractive anyway.

On the other hand, I will not devalue a coin in high grade, if it has attractive toning.
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All the toning is very thin surface oxidation of the alloy metals. Depending upon the atmosphere, moisture level, and air impurities, toning of different colors will happen. If there is sulpher in the air (like from cigs) the toning will happen faster and deeper, but sometimes not the color that you want. If kept in air-tight containers, toning will be very gradual and slow, if much at all. Almost all metals (in alloys) oxidize to a certain extent, even gold in a minor fashion after lengthy exposures.
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 Posted 07/18/2022  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add recollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
why are most toned 1973 mountie dollars toned golden? is it something in the metal? this cant be due to environmental factors.
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I went to Google Images:
'1973 Mountie Dollar',
and found a wide range of different tonings on coins pictured.

The fact that the variation is so large suggests to me that the preparation of the blanks or planchets was inconsistent, probably? something to do with residual film on their surface before being struck into coins.
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I'm always a little suspicious of the clown-car toning. It looks dramatic but I wonder how much of it is the result of a specific chemical treatment? Not zero! It's a way to convert some relatively low-value coins into more sought after collectables.
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The fact that the variation is so large suggests to me that the preparation of the blanks or planchets was inconsistent, probably? something to do with residual film on their surface before being struck into coins


No, not this at all.

The 1973 single silver dollars were placed, uncapsulated, in clamshell cases. Those same cases were used for 1971 and 1972, whereby you see all kinds of natural toning.

Even worse, the 1973 Double Dollar Prestige Specimen Set was issued with the coins placed uncapsulated in a red-flock lined case. Unlike the 1967 specimen sets, those coins were subjected to the "red fluff of death" inside those those cases.

Starting in 1974, Specimen struck coins were sold with each coin individually capsulated.
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Toning is caused by reaction of raw metal with Earth's atmosphere. It can therefore occur on any coin, mint state or otherwise. It tends to be more noticeable on mint state coins, because the dullness of circulation tends to hide the more subtle shades of toning.

The colours are caused by the thin film effect", the same optical phenomenon that causes colours to appear on oil slicks and soap bubbles. In the case of a coin, the "thin film" in question is a microscopically thin layer of oxidation and/or other corrosion byproducts. The colour depends on the thickness of the layer, witht he colours following the same pattern as the rainbow: red is thinnest, then orange, yellow, green and blue. After blue comes black, because at that point the "thin film" becomes too thick for light to pass through it.

"Fake toning", also known as "artificial toning", comes in two flavours. You've got "synthetic toning", generated by the application of chemicals that a coin isn't likely to find in nature. Chlorox bleach can generate some rather wild colours, for example. Then you've got "accelerated toning", where the chemicals used are identical tot he chemicals that cause natural toning - only the amount of chemical is greatly increased, causing the toning to appear in mere minutes or hours, rather than the years a natural tone can require.

How to tell the difference between natural, accelerated, and synthetic toning? Synthetic is perhaps the easiest to spot, as the colours tend to look "un-natural", You can also use chromatography to try to spot the telltale chemical residues of the toning agents, though not everybody has a gas chromatograph just sitting around their house. The TPGs, however, have access to chromatography gear and will use it on a coin they deem to have suspicious toning..

Accelerated toning is harder to spot, since the chemical processes that created it are essentially identical to "natural" toning.
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A timely thread.
Today I am going to see a fellow collector and gift him with a beautiful '73 dollar in the clamshell case.
A dealer got in a large lot of clamshell dollars and early double dollar sets, I picked out about 10 toned dollars but had no luck finding a large bust among the '73 double dollar sets.
Maybe I'll try to post pics later.
'67 boxed sets also contain toned coins but the majority of them are toned on the dark side, gray-blue to black.
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