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Valued Member
United States
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Hi, I see in my Charlton catalogue that this comes in both a proof and circulated form. If you are not the original buyer and you purchase the coin years later with no documentation, how do you tell which one you have? Is it obvious by the finish or do some circulated coins have the same appearance as a proof coin? I'm guessing this is a proof but would like to understand why.   |
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Canada
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There is no question in my mind, that this is a proof strike.
The frosty apppearance of the images on the obverse and reverse really speak for themselves.
I am inclined also to belive that in Canadian Coinage this frosty effect is strictly specific to a proof finish.BTW, I've got the UNC version of this coin and I hate it. Yours is much better.On another note I'm not sure the UNC version is ever referred to a circulated version.
I hope the others collaborate with my opinion.
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Canada
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I believe that to be proof too.  Cameo (the frosty appearance) is possible in MS grade coins and commands a premium (just search ebay for ICCS cameo and you'll see PL and MS examples). Also, the Unc version of the above coin was not intended for circulation, as Dollar1948 stated. |
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Valued Member
 United States
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Hi, Charlton's shows two finishes, Proof and Circulation, that's why I used that term. It shows the value for the proof in the 67 and 68 grades and value for the circulation finish in 65 and 67 grade, why the disconnect?
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Canada
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My Charlton shows Proof and Uncirculated for the dollars ... I don't know why yours would show circ.  About the pricing I can only speculate, but I would think that the proof would grade, on average, a little higher than the uncirculated due to the minting process. |
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm using the 62nd edition, page 228. I must be missing something but this is the only place I can find this coin.
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Canada
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Man o man...what a Phenomina...I got the newest 63'rd edition and on page 236 they got the coin listed. Indeed it says proof and circulation. Im not really from the old school but I have always known them as a proof or UNC minted item. My apologies however even today the RCM's web site still refers to those silver commerative coins as proof and UNC, (well.. brilliant uncirculated)See below http://www.mint.ca/store/buy/silver...ns-cat120006Edited by Dollar1948
02/13/2009 7:41 pm
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Valued Member
United States
170 Posts |
What's in a name anyways? I doubt that any were ever really in circulation no matter what the book calls them. And as chequer suggests I'll check out ebay for pricing. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Proof - Double struck and frosted for the prestige double dollar mint sets ("Proof Sets"), but also sold alone in it's own little case.
The other version (from the Specimen Set) is also double struck for extra sharpness and detail, but has only a mirrored finish. There is no frosted relief.
It is not meant to be a circulation coin, however. The only circulation dollars are the commemorative loonies they put out(eg, Quebec, Terry Fox).
I don't know why Charlton uses the term "Circulation" in regard to this coin, since the term is clearly at odds with the Mint's own terminology ("Specimen") for this type of coin. However, perhaps the coin was issued in the "regular" Mint Set, which is composed of business strikes, and is very much a Circulation-type coin, despite the fact that it does not and has not been released for actual circulation.
Does that make sense?
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Absolutely, I get the jist of what you are saying..
I really think Charlton so just get some uniformity not only from year to year, but from the mint terminology as well.
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Posted 02/13/2009 3:40 pm
