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Twice (over 20 years ago) I have bought ANACS 1923-S MS63FB dimes, broken them out, sent them to PCGS and they came back MS64FB. Anyone would laugh if someone said ANACS is a tougher grading company than PCGS, yet...
Out of the few thousand graded GV nickels graded at NGC, this is the only MS66. Like the old Umpire said: "It doesn't matter whether you think it was a Ball or Strike. It is what I say it is."
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
07/27/2022 11:31 pm
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Canada
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Classic NGC...
Just referenced the official photograph and don't see anything distinguishing it from a 62.
plenty of marks all around, and the crown really seems to be lacking detail of a 66.
Just my $0.02
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Actually ANACS has been rather tough and Conservative especially over the
last few years . Pretty much as good as anyone else lately .
Yes we use ANACS , NGC and ICCS extensively .
As SPP stated I too would think PCGS over NGC on this .
As I stated before send the nickel to ICCS and see it it crosses .
There is a reason we in Canada prefer ICCS grading on Canadian Coins to that of the US services .
I'll give you a fiver to help with the fees if it does cross.
By the way numbers investors (buyers) when it comes to buying quality numismatics , never ends too well at the time of resale . There is a great deal of truth in the statement , buy the coin not the holder .
Edited by Pacificoin
07/27/2022 8:48 pm
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Thanks for the offer but the coin will sell itself with no problem, if I choose that route. It's a "Numbers Game", and the Number for that coin is 1, Unique at the Top of the NGC Pop for the Type. It's delicious. If you look around, any TPGed MS66 GeoV nickel is very seldom offered.
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
07/27/2022 11:52 pm
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There is a huge value difference between 63 and 66.
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I 100% agree that NGC grading versus PCGS is suspect at best. I'd also take an MS66 from PCGS 100 times out of 100 over an NGC graded one. All that being said, for the folks commenting on how rough the 5 is check out the reverse on the MS66 top plate coin for PCGS 1927 MS nickels, ideally on a PC using the magnifier. The obverse is very nice on it, decent strike and the lustre looks pretty good, but the reverse is quite beat up for a 66 as well. It's superior to the NGC coin without a doubt, but it's not quite as nice of a reverse as you might expect from a 66. The middle coin looks much nicer. All of the US TPG have variability in how they grade Canadian coins unfortunately. I'd say let Oldgrouchyguy enjoy his new purchase! It's still a nice MS example of the series and will be great to have I'm sure. Some day no doubt someone else will think so too and purchase it from him. No need to continue the negativity in this thread imho. He wasn't asking for criticism on the coin, just showing us his latest purchase. Congrats! |
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07/28/2022 11:02 am
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Here are the (general) cold hard facts.
1. A U.S. citizen who collects Canadian coins would be interested in this coin. Must be PCGS or NGC and very little interest in an ICCS coin.
2. A Canadian who collects Canadian coins would see this NGC graded coin as highly probable of being overgraded and would much rather have an ICCS graded coin.
3. Why the difference in grading?......Competency has little to do with it. ........Truth is, ICCS grades very differently than the US grading companies......One HUGE difference is for the high MS grades, ICCS looks at obverse fields rather than high points and US grading companies look at high points (Reverse and obverse) rather than fields......This can result in substantial grading swings when cross grading in either direction.
Like ALL knowledgeable collectors say...'buy the coin, not the holder".
Edited by doubleeagle59
07/28/2022 11:17 am
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If you're happy with the coin then that's all that matters but there's an education opportunity being offered here by numerous knowledgeable members. I echo that ICCS (or PCGS) would grade this coin as an MS63. NGC is known to grossly overgrade Canadian coins and my customers (as well as myself) stay away from them for this reason. ICCS has graded zero and PCGS has graded 3 1927 MS66's ( https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/geor...=31070&h=pop ). If this was an MS66 in a PCGS or ICCS holder, it would sell for $4000-$6000. Since its in an NGC holder, your coin was offered here for $999.99: https://irongate-estate.com/product...616876368107And then sold four days ago through Great Collections for less than $700 https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...29-NGC-MS-66If you compare the coin in the PCGS above link to yours, I think you will see substantial differences. |
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This is why you buy the coin and not the slab...definitely toooooo many scratches for a 66.
KK
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Here's my Two Cents. There's absolutely no way to accurately grade this coin from either the images supplied or the NGC verification photos. From what I can tell, the obverse fields are clean and I would bet luster is outstanding based on what I can see. High-point strike detail is a bit soft, as always. But I wouldn't try to put a grade on that coin publicly without better images, though I have my opinions. |
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Now that I've seen the pictures, I believe this coin would have a very good chance at an ms65 at ICCS. Very lowest at ICCS is a 64.
No way it's a 63 as some have mentioned and I wouldn't consider it as a 66 either.
True, an accurate grading from these pictures alone should be met with some caution.
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It is a nice mint state 1927 moderately well struck, as all 8 pearls in the crown band are there. Some folks put more value in a fully struck George V 5-cent than the numerical grade itself.
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07/28/2022 4:40 pm
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