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1923 Buffalo Incomplete Planchet With "Smith Rim Effect"

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I'm trying to introduce what I use to attribute incomplete planchet coins as my self titled Smith effect . It's shows a weakness of the inside portion of the rim as the rim approaches the anomaly. This incomplete planchet Buffalo is an example. The green line in the last photo shows the spot where the rim fades away from lack of metal to fill the die during the strike.
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 Posted 09/05/2022  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This could also be a delamination with the edges smoothed down through circulation. It is unfortunate how circulated this coin is, because if the Blakesley effect is present then that would confirm it was a faulty planchet pre-strike.
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i think its a delamination. I say this because you can see a bit of a raised rim inside the flawed area. I dont think its possible to get such a feature from a clip, but I could be mistaken. these modern coins all look funny to me.
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I vote de-lam as well.
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I totally agree that the coin suffered a lamination, but it happened pre-strike which is why I called it a incomplete planchet even though it isn't a clip. There was a full diameter to the blank/planchet on the reverse side which would not allow for a Blakesley effect to develop. The advantage of my Smith effect in this instance is that it shows the lack of metal to fill the die at the point of the anomaly , enabling the attribution of a pre-strike error.
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I'll call it a Smith Effect when you get it in CoinWorld (which you probably could).
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Sounds plausible...do you have more examples we could study?
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I started a thread over on the modern side asking for help with examples for the study. Any help with examples would be appreciated!
http://goccf.com/t/429513
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