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Rockwell Test Mark 2022 Wilma Mankiller Quarter

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 Posted 08/30/2022  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes that helps tremendously. The way you explain it makes me feel like I'm almost there at the mint. Diamond tip would explain the round circles to me at least. Like a waffled coin that that should be recycled sometimes they end up in people's hands. All this is only conjecture as I wasn't there to see the coin tested. It works in my mind though. Allows me to imagine what could be. My mind is open not closed to possibilities. I always try to think outside the box. Iridium coins? What's that? Must be foreign or some other purpose. Don't think I remember hearing of those
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 Posted 08/30/2022  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Canada do Iridium coin some times. The US use Iridium in some silver alloys and gold coins. Why?

In pure states the gold is soft like the plasticine for the children's. The silver also and the platinum. In order to be more harder an 1 pro-mille iridium is add.

If it is cooper Ag, Au or Pl the max purity is :
Silver 900
Gold 918
Platinum 950

When you buy the slogan pure sliver, gold and platinum is fake. But on the coin is wrote 999 per-mill. So in one Kg you has 999 gr of that metal and 1 gr. of iridium.

Exceptions are a few countries which do gold coins more green blue. This it is because they use Iron instead of iridium.

Enough for me this night.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pnwmakes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I worked in the aerospace industry as a QA Engineer we used a Rockwell Hardness tester. And what I was taught you never preformed the test right next to a previous test like shown in your picture were the two are almost touching. Because you could inaccurate test results. also those just do not look like any Rockwell test marks I have seen. But again we were testing way different metals than that what a quarter is made of. Just my 2.5 cents worth.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@PN: At the Mint facility the testers I show are in complete different special room for them. In aerospace facility, you was in complete other world. I can not disclose the facility, but I will say: Once in my life I was in such testing facility and I agree is crazy what you can see. The difference is Sky to earth.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks pnwmakes. Your QA was surely at higher tolerances than at the mint because it's life or death as apposed to someone finding some anomaly and not recognizing it. We've all seen the QA from the mint in the last few years and since it's inception. Apples and oranges. Your info does help though and I'm glad you chimed in. My pictures are only ok. I will definitely take your reply into account. That's all I was looking for is others opinions. I appreciate it. Looks like you can see facets in this picture. Maybe not
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 Posted 08/31/2022  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All posts on this thread are on the CoopHome threads.

The last image, note the light and shadows? Raised ones have the light and dark colors, just opposite the incuse marks into the coin. Just coin contact damage is all I'm seeing.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hobbs9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silviosi provided some great info. Notice that Hardness testing IS NOT done on struck coins. It is done on the strip, or more precisely, a piece cut from the strip. There is no easy way to drag the testing unit to the warehouse and try to make the strip fit in (look at Silviosi's pics). Plus, the QA probably has sampling locations to get a representative look at the lot.

Every place I worked, hardness testing is considered a destructive test, so all samples are disposed of after testing. Anybody who has been in a QA knows that test samples are tightly controlled and taking a destructive test piece back to the production line will get you fired.

I wish error ref would remove the hardness testing section. Based on the test procedures, testing equipment, QA requirements, sample disposition protocols, and the fact that any test mark would be deformed or obliterated during striking, I find it impossible for one of these to show up on a finished coin.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Hobbs: You are right. Me I forgot to say that the samples are send to the Labs, (who are a complete separate building with no communication with the hardware or the production lines except the vacuum tubes.)

In fact all the Rockwell coins are fake. Even the old ones do not make sense, because you do not perform this test on finish product. If so, and the test fail, how much waste?. This test was performed from more then 100 years and was never on finish product.

https://www.buehler.com/blog/histor...al%20diamond

Thanks for attention.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop and Hobbs9. There's no pressure ridge. Which way is "the damage" coming from? Conversation and information is valuable also so we all learn and enjoy what we're doing. No one is right or wrong all the time. More pictures
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 Posted 08/31/2022  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buehler is right down the street from me. Maybe I'll take it to them and see what they think
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 Posted 08/31/2022  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Silviosi. The more info the better
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 Posted 08/31/2022  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you read into this correctly the roll stock is tested and planchets are tested. Not struck coins as that defeats the purpose. The tested planchets are discarded aka recycled. We're not there to say recycled planchets don't end up being struck. Going back to what I was saying about metal movement into the lower anomaly the pictures and coin spark for themselves. The coin is one thing and speculation is something else. Look at the coin
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 Posted 08/31/2022  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I'm no expert so I could be wrong. So can you
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 Posted 08/31/2022  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
People say most of my finds are damage only to find out they are actual mint errors. Credibility plays a part also. Sorry for the ranting I'm just saying. Great conversation though. No offense taken and none given
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@RW: If go to see them ask if they can give a copy of theirs software OmniMet. This it is use in metal work at the Mint. You can have all the info automatic with this soft. Me for moment I use only to detect the design varieties, the metal grains in what improper is say Lam, annealing problems or cladding problems.
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