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Counterfeit? Harshly Cleaned? Just VLDS? 1954-P LWC

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I found this coin in a roll a couple days ago, and when I scoped it looking for varieties, I noticed that the strike was weirdly soft, even for a VLDS coin, and, despite being in red/brown color, the fields had a strange deadness and lack of mint luster, despite there being no obvious signs of mechanical cleaning methods (i.e. no obvious scratches or polishing marks in the fields). The strangest part was, when I examined the edges of the coin, it had bizarre score-marks running perpendicular to the rims around its entire circumference that almost looked like the coin had been filed down around the edges (perhaps after being cast?) My first thought is that the coin is a counterfeit, but the biggest argument I can think of against that is *why* would someone want to counterfeit a fairly common 1954-P Wheat cent? I'd be interested to hear what people here think - is it a counterfeit? Cleaned? Just late die state?


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 Posted 09/05/2022  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Die Deterioration, you can see the start
of a Ridge Ring on both sides.
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@JimmyD what do you make of the perpendicular score marks on the edges of the coin though? To me, they look like file marks.
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Can you give us the weight?
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I have seen that before but I forget what the cause was.
Perhaps another member can help.
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Wow, that's the latest die state I've ever seen on a 1954! It's pretty unusual and very cool! It looks like somebody held it with a vise or plyers, the edge marks are PMD. I'd keep it for the VLDS!

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Clear PMD.
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I can't see the edge clearly to tell if those lines are left over from punching the planchet out of the flat stock.
Do the lines go all the way around the perimeter?
Are they individual narrow lines or lines on each side of a groove?


I'm with Coinfrog about the weight (and diameter might be helpful).
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