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Worn Victoria 25 Cents Canadian - Year Identification Help

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 Posted 09/14/2022  02:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can this coin be narrowed down to a specific year, or a few years? There's not a lot left to look at. I can maybe see the remnants of an 18_0 (the third number might have a closed round bottom, so possibly 8) but that's all guessing. If it is an 1880, can the 0 variety be discerned? Also, what value does this have at this condition? My catalogues are old. Thanks!

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 Posted 09/14/2022  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to tell without it in hand with a loupe and specific lighting. I'd say 1890, just based on the inside of the ovals on the 0 and 9, with one bigger than the other. The coin would be poor-1 and worth scrap price probably. It also won't weigh anything close to what it was when minted. It's a good pocket piece for flipping or as a golf ball marker.
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 Posted 09/14/2022  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can it be determined based on the bough and portrait, instead of relying on that ghost of a date?
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 Posted 09/14/2022  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheDeductible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Date doesn't matter so much. Melt value here.
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 Posted 09/14/2022  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, I probably shouldn't have asked for value in the original post. That's just an aside to the question of identifying it from whatever's still visible.
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 Posted 09/14/2022  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the H mm, it has to be either 1880 or 1890.
I am leaning towards 1880 as it appears to be a Q2 obverse
whereas a 1890 has a Q5 obverse.
Also it looks like a Short Bough Ends Variety which the 1880 has
whereas the 1890 has the Long Bough Ends Variety.
Hard to really tell if it is a wide or narrow 0.
But even in that condition, it is worth more than melt.
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 Posted 09/14/2022  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JimmyD is on the right track.
It's an 1880.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Thank you! Now I know what to write on the 2x2.

This is somehow still worth more than melt, though? All my catalogues are at least 10 years old. And they don't go down to the PO grades anyway.

Another angle of the date. That third digit is too far gone to see anything useful but might as well.
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I like to go by the sold prices on ebay, it gives you an indication of what people
are paying for coins.
These are the latest sales, not sure if yours is a wide or narrow 0 so I will give both
1880 Narrow in grade FR2- $14.00
1880 Wide in grade FR2- $21.00
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Relative to the prices for FR, it's half of that maybe? Not bad.
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I think you mean PO, not FR
A PO1 might bring a better premium as for anyone that is putting together a low ball set, this is the best grade you can get but I don't think yours would grade that low.
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Looks like I made a wrong assumption that PO is valued lower than FR, since I notice that there's roughly a halving of price every time it moves down a grade. And good point there - this coin might have too much rim to grade PO. I've been using the Saskatoon Coin Club images, and the FR-2 on there look worse than the PO-01 (though the photos' lighting is also very different making the former look much flatter).
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