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Error Or Not? 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 Millieme

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Hi all,

I need to know the name of this error and does it affect the value of the coin or not?

The number 7 in the Hijri Date 1357 is not struck properly.

Please help.
I will post pics for both obverse and reverse just to help evaluate the coin condition "may be this helps"

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I have placed three arrows where I think this might be an error;

The 1st to the right where the number 7 is not struck properly
The 2nd "Middle" where part of the lettering seems not prominent
The 3rd to the left where I think there is a small die crack.

I would appreciate any comments.

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Interesting! I'm not familiar enough with these coins, but I see a die crack as well as something happened to the 7. I would be surprised if the coin was simply damaged in that area, because I don't see other signs. So perhaps it's a die chip--ore something happened during making of the die? Seeing a normal 7 for this coin would be an interesting comparison. I suspect the faint script pointed in the middle of the coin is due to something clogging the die and producing a weak strike.
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On the last picture posted, Could that be a piece of metal on the right that got pressed on to the coin when it got struck?
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Hmm...interesting thought. I wonder if the die struck in some extra metal, whether that metal would fill the "7" portion of the die?
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Quote:
.......Seeing a normal 7 for this coin would be an interesting comparison......


This is the only coin I have, so I will borrow this pic from world coin catalog
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As far as I know [Krause is my reference] that Egyptian coins in the time of King Farouk were minted in either;
BP - Budapest, Hungary
H - Birmingham, England
KN - King's Norton, England
So, finding an error in these coins would be something special at least to me.

In this coin we are examining, and according to your opinions uptill now there is THREE errors in the same coin.

How interesting, Hope that you are right
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Amr,
Very interesting--thanks for posting that photo.
I'm not too familiar with this coin, but the difference between your coin and the catalog photo is dramatic.
I don't see coin damage accounting for the extra metal around the 7--it's a very interesting and I think it happened during the strike.
I also really like this coin series; I think it's one of the better portraits on a modern coin.
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Thanks Kurt,

Would you please try to summerize the name of the errors from your opinion and their cause if possible.

Another thing, if these are mint errors and not post mint, Do they increase the coin value?

Thanks
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Amr,
All I can offer is an opinion, so I'll try
So I agree--I see a die crack, and probably a filled die (middle arrow).
As for the 7 in the date, I think that's best determined by someone who has seen many Egyptian coins and can say from experience.
I'm not qualified to offer more than my guess that this mark was on the die. Otherwise, I think we'd see a distinct number struck on the coin.
As to value, I think that depends on the popularity for error coins in Egypt. This differs by country I think.
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 Posted 02/24/2009  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EgCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You very much Kurt
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 Posted 02/24/2009  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EgCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
struck thru
An error caused by a foreign object that got between the dies and the planchet when a coin was struck. A common Struck Thru error is a piece of wire that leaves an indentation that is usually mistaken for a scratch.

Could this be what happened to the date
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