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1846 Large Cent Tall Date Newcomb Number 13 Or 25?

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I have narrowed this one down to N-13 (r.3) or N-25 (r.6 ) but cannot determine which. Obverse has the obvious repunch of the the 1, but the reverse could go either way, anyone have any tricks to determination? Obviously a big difference in value between the two.

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i agree with your obverse attribution. how did you rule out n-23 and n-26?

i havent seen anything on these pictures that has given it away yet. I'm not sure youll be able to tell. the reverses were all from the same hub so the only difference is some scattered file and tool marks. they are all pretty minor.

im going to continune to look at it for a bit but I dont have high hopes of identifying this one.
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I don't recall how I eliminated 23 and 26 exactly, but I do know I looked up each of them on Heritage and read the descriptors (die lines etc) and was able to identify my coin did not have those lines etc. The problem is the dirt covers up some of the descriptors for the last two N numbers. I was hoping that there were additional markers that were not mentioned on the Heritage lots that would help determine. I have Newcomb's book, but it only goes to N-1 :( Any and all help is appreciated, even if that means telling me all the known markers for those two or pointing me in the direction where I can find them (online or hard copy books)
Here is another better picture of the reverse. Thank you!

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the problem you will run into with these is that the diagnostics are small. they wear off the coins by the time they get into the VF range. fine and below are frequently unattributable.

here are some line drawings from Bob Grellmans book.

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the big pick ups are the lines from the ribbon to the U in united and the lines between the A snd M in america. the R in america fills in eventually. its known with a rotated reverse (this is diagnostic. very few late date cents have rotated reverses)

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lines through the T in united, second T in states and the R in america. The illustrated rim Cud is a late die state and extremely rare. ususally found without the break.

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two lines at the E in america. another above the N in united. as the die ages it cumbles. the dentils dentils under the stem crumble together. C and E in cent eventually join together at the top.

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horizontal lines at the tops of EN in cent. there is a spike that runs trhough the wreath between the E in one and the M in america. the U in united eventually crumbles into the rim.
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Thank you CarrsCoins! Exactly what I needed!....I have looked it over and "think" I can see the line from the N on the N-25. I will have to try to get a copy of Grellman's book. I will probably send it in for attribution to NGC on my next submission.
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if it ends up being an N-25 thats a pretty great score. good luck!
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Try lining up the tops of letters to the denticles when you have no other way, or it's too dirty to see die lines (same with the date to the denticles below)
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