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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Even for museum professionals, coin cleaning and preservation can be somewhat of a lottery.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
13696 Posts |
I'm looking forward to following this thread CarrsCoins as you proceed with the attempted preservation.
Agree that you can't do anything to make the coin worse!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8435 Posts |
Should be fun, like this kinda stuff.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1150 Posts |
I should send this coin too you carrscoins.  
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
756 Posts |
the coin arrived about an hour ago. I'm not usually this excited to get a package but this thread has been on my mind and I was excited to see what I would be working with. i shot pictures of a couple angles so that you could get a feel for the color and surface. the good parts are more attractive than I had hoped. its pretty shiny confirming its been cleaned in the past. that zigzag does appear to be glue of some kind so I'm hopeful that it will come off with either water or a solvent. here it is:       first thing I want to do it hit it with some solvents and see what happens. I took it out to the garage. it is a large and well ventilated space that is great for working with chemicals. here you can see one of the more important tools. gloves. I dont want these chemicals on my skin. I dont want to breathe the fumes in.  these are the solvents I use the most. both came from home depot. you can also see some of my other hobbies - my pool table and my rag top split window beetle project.  i grabbed a cotton swab and dabbed some xylene onto the coin. I dab vertically. never horizontally. never scrub. scrubbing is how you hairline the coin. the swab isn't hard enough to scratch copper but the bits of debris it collects can be. i was hoping that all that blue green would wipe off. we werent that lucky. barely anything came off. this leads me to believe that the previous owner had already done something similar. thats a bit concerning. this stuff might be hard to remove. top of the swab was used. bottom is unused.  next step is a soak. I'm going to leave it to soak in xylene over night. maybe for a couple days. I put the coin in a baby food jar and sealed the lid. that will keep the solvent from evaportaing and keep fumes from becoming a problem.  sometimes these things can take months. total time so far? 5 minutes work time and maybe 40 minutes total time with documentation, uploading photos and typing this up.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Nice to see you've got the coin in-hand and have started the process.
Maybe that zigzag on the obverse is some type of epoxy? I know some types of epoxy are very resistant to many common solvents.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
756 Posts |
@allcoinage - I'm not sure I can do much for that one. I find that I have a hard time working on coins I dont know well. its a lot easier for me to excavate gunk without damaging the metal if I know where the metal should be. I'm not very familiar with that coin. I do think that would be a great coin to practice your own skills on though! I think the spots around one penny would come off pretty easily. I'm less certain about the other side. I think there will be some significant metal damage under all the dirt/grime/whatever that is.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looking forward to seeing the progress on this one. I figured that a long acetone soak would probably be step number one for this. Beyond that, I cede to your expertise and anxiously await your progress. Best of luck with it my friend!
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Think you are right with damage on the obverse side of penny but I still will try second process that your doing soaking this coin pure acetone 100%, just see the outcome, well it is a 1935 Australian penny I found it buried on a construction site while I was working there.good luck with your coins carrscoins.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
756 Posts |
minor update. I checked it today. after I pulled it out of the drink I washed it off with dish soap and tap water. you want to use purified and distilled if you are getting near the end but since it going right back in the solvent it doesn't matter. the glue (or whatever) is dissolving slowly. I put it under the microscope and poked at all the different kinds of stuff. I think all of the problems will come off. might be a bit labor intensive. I'm going to let it soak for another day or two.
ill shoot some photos and talk about the microscope and the poking tools I use sometime in the near future.
total time is ~10 minues now.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3042 Posts |
Sounds like it's progressing nicely, very good to hear!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21645 Posts |
I note that so far, organic solvents have been used. I agree with this initial approach, but the INorganic verdigris most probably will not be affected, although the color of the verdigris may change a bit due to the transport of contaminants by the solvents into the body of the verdigris.
Gentle mechanical removal of verdigris may help a bit, but the green stuff will need passivation to stop continuation of destruction of the metal beneath it .
Some research may well be needed. Museums are well familiar with passivation of copper and bronze objects. Review some of the proven passivation methods that have been used by them, and decide upon which of these methods may be most appropriate for the subject coins in this thread.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
756 Posts |
yes. museums clean coins. sometimes well. sometimes quite poorly. check out the cleaning job the Smithsonian did on this one:  there are many techniques used by many different people. I like to start here because its reliable, cheap and non destructive. I dont know whats on the coin and I dont know whats been done to it in the past. do you have a specific article or piece of research you would recommend? in the imortal words of Michelangelo - ancora imparo - everyone should always be looking to learn more
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21645 Posts |
I am considering that perhaps the Smithsonian may have acquired the '49 Double Eagle, after it had been 'cleaned' by some well meaning individual, with no numismatic sense.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
13696 Posts |
I am enjoying the updates. Thanks for sharing your process. 
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