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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hi everyone, My mother brought home this coin for me today and I am hoping to get a little information on it. First of all the date looks odd to me and I was wondering what could cause this to happen? Second I would like to know if it looks legit to you all. I can not remove it form the holder as if it is not real I would like to be able to return it. Third, if real what would you grade this at? thanks Malissa     Im going to to try to get some better pictures if possible through the holder. Edited by malissadawn
03/03/2009 10:42 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's too bad you can't weigh the coin outside the 2x2.
What are you seeing with the date--the slightly tilted 9?
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Well I can weigh it in the 2x2 and figure out the weight of a 2x2? Also its the doubling/shadowing of numbers all around the date that I see wrong
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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That ghosting might just be how it toned. I don't have any of these, so I'll let others comment on details.
The coin should weigh 26.96 gr.
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Valued Member
United States
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KM#T5, with 5,672,000 minted in Bombay in 1912. If it is a counterfeit, it is a good one, as the design, fields, dentils, and rims look correct to me. I also took a close look at my 1901 example, and it has a similar tilted 9.
Krause puts the value at $25.00 in XF and $60.00 in Unc.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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so you believeit is authentic buzzard? it looked pretty good to me too other than that strange toning/shadowing or whatever it is. I am going to find my scale just to be sure of the weight though.
thanks for the help
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Ok I weighed it and it came up as 29.6 grams in the 2x2. (though its larger so I'd say in it's 2.5x2.5)
Does that sound like it might be right?
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United States
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Back in August/September, I was looking online for photos of counterfeit examples of this coin. Both of the examples that I was able to find had vague transitions between Brittania's cloak and the background field. Your coin doesn't seem to have that issue. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that it is real to me. Now lets find out if the weight is a match...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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weight was 29.6 grams in the holder. :)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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oh and what does transitions mean? Blank areas?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Here's some less blurry pics   |
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United States
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Oh, there's the weight. Methinks I type too slow. :)
When I mentioned vague transitions, I was referring to an effect that is visible on many counterfeit coins of modern Chinese origin. It occurs where a design element in low relief appears next to an open field. Instead of having a crisp and clear edge between design and field, there is a vague transition where the design sort of fades into the field.
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United States
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Here is an example of what I meant. Check out the space to the left of the dragon's head, where the neck should be joining the head. Instead of the design continuing to the head, it just fades into the field. Counterfeit examples of your Trade dollar that I have seen show a fade between the cloak and the background. Since your dollar shows a crisp edge between cloak and field, it is either a better-than-average counterfeit or the real deal. That is why I think that yours is real.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Malissa, how many staples are in the 2.5x2.5? I can weigh one here with the right number of staples and give you the weight. That's a gorgeous coin, by the way.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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In case it helps, I weighed an empty 2x2 w/4 staples here at 2.7gr
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United Kingdom
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Wow, that's a nice coin. If it is a fake they are getting extremely good at it.
It certainly looks legit to me. Very crisp designs. Toning looks right. I am not sure if they are able to recreate realistic toning? Almost looks like parts of the coin next to the legend was in the shade and didn't catch a tan!
Does anybody know if fake toning does this? It's not just on the date seems to be all the way around the coin, on the lettering?
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Posted 03/03/2009 8:14 pm
