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1863 Crossed Cannons Civil War Token Beauty

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Got this in a job lot, will be going to NGC, seems high grade to me. What do you think? Can't find many of these in such nice condition.


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Nice looking AU-58.
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Verdi-Care canidate?
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I am not knowledgeable enough with tokens to give a grade, but sure looks like pvc there to me. May have evolved into verdigris. My guess, with the pvc/verdigris in the protected areas, and the white fibers, someone had already gone over the surfaces with a qtip/cotton swap.

If it were mine, I'd go back to acetone with it, and may need the help of a rose thorn (or you're preferred method, mine is a lime thorn) to nudge away what can be removed of that pvc.

I do also question the color a bit, more so the obverse.
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AU, needs acetone or verdi-care or both
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Cleaned and retoned I believe.
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Nice looking token. Can you provide the weight and diameter?

IMO this will not straight grade at NGC unless it were properly conserved first.
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Thanks for the replies. It weighs 3.28 grams and the diameter is 19mm.
I actually think mine is a high grade, and worth conserving before submitting. Look at this example that graded MS66, which seems unbelievable, it may be a weak strike but the writing on the canons is barely legible and there are many scratches to the obverse.

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The location of the remaining verdigris in protected areas along with the current color suggests this has been cleaned at some point. Find someone local for a second opinion before sending this off for submission.
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I concur with the AU-58 grade for this typical sharp strike. Also, the verdigris issue should be addressed for conservation of this otherwise attractive piece.

I'd NOT submit a piece like this to NGC. IMHO, that'd be money down the drain. This is a very common CWT variety. Tokens like this in NGC holders, graded MS-63 or less, can be gotten at shows for under $80 apiece. I bought a few as such, last month.

Regarding that so-called NGC MS-66 CWT being peddled for $300, IMHO it's over-graded. I'm no fan of NGC. I've seen far too many of their slabbing "errors" over my many years of collecting tokens. Buy the coin/token, NOT the slab!
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