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Hi all! I recently got this 1913 nickel. I was unable to tell what the mintmark was , but it did have some interesting die markers on both sides (not sure if they are cracks or what they are) Upon researching on heritage I found 6 different 1913 S coins that have the exact same markers and the reverse is also from a very worn die (like mine). I also looked through MANY D mint coins and could not find any that had these markers and also noticed NONE of the D mints had the D very close to the C of CENTS like in my example. So what does everyone think? MY COIN   COIN FROM Heritage (one of many with the same die markers)   |
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What MM does it read on the slab? Looks like a D to me. What slab is it in?The areas you circled look like die clashes. John1  |
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I agree, the marks are die clashes. But the blob 'appears' to be a 'D' but doesn't it say right on the slab label?
I'm not sure if you can use a die clash as a die marker because a clash can happen to any die and end up with the same marks.. (but I'm not an expert of that stuff)
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04/21/2023 09:08 am
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And the envelope please...  |
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(In Alex Trebek's voice) ... and the answer is?
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Looks more like displaced metal than a mintmark to me but I've been wrong before.
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Very interesting example, thanks for sharing! I'm of the opinion, with great certainty, that is a San Fran MM. When Buffalo nickels get this late in die state, especially the reverse, a lot of the details are lost and sometimes makes it impossible to determine MM, especially once circulated. Like Overton for bust halves, or Newcomb for lg. cents, the same process can be applied with Buffalo nickels in regards to die markers. While the obverse clashes are relatively common, the placement can vary in this series depending on how the dies were rotated. The reverse is an even better indicator. The clash you pointed out below the belly is less common. That paired with the EPU clash (both a match location to the Heritage example you provided), and the MM location as well, which is high and to the right (slightly cut into the C). All these factors have me saying it's a match for an S MM. Also looks like a die crack developing on your example from the rim at K5, do not see it in the heritage image, but it's a bit dark, and yours looks slightly later in die state as well, so it could have developed after the heritage example was struck. Nice sleuthing on this one! When in doubt die markers can come in handy! Edit: Speleeng Edited by Ty2020b
04/21/2023 10:45 pm
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Ty2020b Thank you for taking the time to ponder it and research it. I strongly believe it is an S mint mark, but NGC says its a D. I get it , it looks a little like a D , and I cannot expect NGC to spend an hour to research my single coin. I wonder if I sent it back in with my evidence that they would change their minds? The only thing that might change my mind is if someone can find a 1913 D type 2 with markers exactly the same with D mint mark that is that close to the C in Cents. Show me one, coin community, and I'm a big enough man to say I was wrong.
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Yes without question this is a San Francisco 1913 T2 Buffalo nickel, it is definitely one of the more interesting clashes, in series filled with them. But between the clashes, Die Deterioration, and that K5 die crack, it is good as any fingerprint to diagnose the VLDS mush left of the mintmark. As Ty2020b pointed out it is a later die state to your heritage example but look at this one below, it is most similar to the die state of your nickel and has the K5 die crack. https://coins.ha.com/itm/buffalo-ni...bnail-071515 |
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@ roach, I would start by emailing them the same images you shared here on the forum, with the heritage images. There's also one or two I saw on PCGS CoinFacts. Point out the die markers and see how it can be resolved. TPG's make mistakes, they're human. In this condition it's not an overly expensive example, but it's still worth more than its Denver counterpart! And of course who doesn't want the correct label on their slab  @1buff2many, was wondering how long it would take you to pull up a matching die state image.  . Nice find buddy |
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@Ty2020b  you know I enjoy finding a good die state match But between the PCGS CoinFacts images and the amazing Heritage image archive it really is a wealth of information and for a key date like this with lots of slabs and sales even more so. This particular one is quite distinct and does make it a bit easier to track the die progression. At some point there was a clash on the obverse field in front of the Indians eye that got abraded away making it very close if not a broken nose variety. Lots going on with this one. |
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Where was Columbo when I recently posted my possible 1913- S type 2?
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Thank you 1buff2many ! I was looking for one that had the radial die crack that would be a smoking gun and you found one! That should be enough evidence to convince NGC (I hope) here is the entire holder  And her is proof positive that NGC does indeed make mistakes javascript:insertsmilie('  ')  What got me the most on this one was that NGC tried to upcharge me on the tier I submitted under because it was valued much higher as a 50C piece instead of a 5c |
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@roach sure thing best of luck with getting it corrected
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Gotta say, I'm a bit surprised with that grade. I had it pinned for cleaned and corrosion removed. Didn't see that straight grade coming, can't say I agree with them there.
They really messed that one up, wrong MM and denomination! Best of luck getting it resolved.
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Posted 04/21/2023 09:05 am
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
