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Hello Coin People!Oh Knowledgeable Ones!Where Do I Begin?I am new to the forum today. It sure looks like a helpful and interesting place.I am having trouble putting a GOOD photo on of the coin my pictures seem to be "not true to color" I have a 1858 gold quarter eagle. I believe it has a die break (LOOK JUST ABOVE HER HEAD GOING STRIAGHT UP) There is a line which seems to be risen, not scratched in or indented. The detail is nice or so it looks to me much detail not much wear. The color is different than other gold coins I have had there seems to be less shine and brightness to it. It is hard to capture in a photo I will try again later to get one on that shows it nicely I just wanted to give a heads up that I have one. Another question is were there any FAKES/COPIES, etc. made of this coin? The one "copy" on ebay looks nothing like my coin. OK, thanks and I'll be back soon. Image Insert: Image Insert: Image Insert: Image Insert: Edited by NEW-MS-MA-TIST
03/20/2009 12:05 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Something about the rim teeths looks odd...
Also, the arrows that the eagle's holding looks like a new reverse type... which were first minted in 1859...
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03/18/2009 7:39 pm
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New Member
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Thank you David for answering me so fast.
Yes, now that I look at these pics I think so too it isn't easy to see in person? What would that mean? Could it be how I tilted the coin to photograph it? WEIRD, I don't understand it, maybe someone will know what it is..
I wondered if I should send it to a grading company but I wanted to learn more first...anyone else know anything more, could it be a fake? THAT WOULD STINK!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well, to see if it's at least gold, balance it on the tip of your finger and tap it with another coin. If it rings for a long time, then it's not steel (at least)
You can do that tapping with any coin (quarter will be fine) and you can also tap a quarter this way and compare the two sounds.
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New Member
United States
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Something seems rather dull in the sound of it being tapped. I also tapped a 50 dollar gold coin and it sounded nothing like it. The size is so small it is hard to get a good balance on it and tap..(novice) I will continue to try and find out more.
Who would know for sure or how do I go about finding out if it is a fake or copy? WOW THEY SURE DO A GOOD JOB OF IT!
thanks,
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United States
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Welcome.
I am NOT an expert, and my eyes are not great.
That said, I think your coin is a fake. Sorry.
The 5 and 8 in the date are way off, too close together. The arrows are too thin with too much separation.
I hope I'm wrong. I wouldn't be the first time.
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United States
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Thanks Frank, I am beginning to think so too. It's not a big deal, we inherited coins from our brother and this coin was not separate and in a special area. it was in a bag of random coins. he knew his stuff for almost 60 years of collecting. so he probably put it there for a reason.( And I thought I found the Holy Grail! ha ha kidding). nothing ventured nothing gained. I have a feeling it's a fake now too. even the way the color is worn. but I can't hurt to try. thank you for you help. |
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I think m9frank has it right! here is a real one on APMEX site |
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Hi And Welcome,
I am afraid that the coin is a counterfeit.
It does have the wrong reverse type for the year.
It is not a mismatched die situation as the coin appears fake to begin with.
Thanks,
Bill
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New Member
United States
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Hi Bill,
Yes,I figured it was a fake after all the great answers I got from the nice people here ...
I guess if I had no suspicions I would have felt comfortable and not gone crazy looking for some help on it but something about it made me wonder.(actually the gold seems a little worn color-wise almost as if it is darker under a thin layer of gold maybe?)
I have to say it is actually very much more real looking in person and as I did not know about the arrows and the date being a bit far apart etc..I am really kind of impressed that anyone did that good a job on (counterfeiting) a coin.
well I learned a few more things on my quest to learn and know that the coins I am only selling real coins that my brother left us. I should have known, this was in a bunch of rather messy looking coins and he was way to knowledgeable and honest to have been fooled by it..that is why it was with other "junk".
Thanks to you all for your welcome and you help!
I'm sure I'll be back with more questions about other coins. So far I have done a pretty good job and have only really nice feedback so I guess I'm doing pretty good so far...
Thank once again and enjoy your evening.
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gold seems a little worn color-wise almost as if it is darker under a thin layer of gold maybe It might be coated or plated, but I don't know of a method of determining that... Quote:
I have to say it is actually very much more real looking in person and as I did not know about the arrows and the date being a bit far apart etc..I am really kind of impressed that anyone did that good a job on (counterfeiting) a coin. Well, that's how counterfeiters are. They try to make it as real as possible, but still are just dumb enough to leave a detail behind. Also, I noticed the difference because I was using this: http://www.amazon.com/Official-Red-...11786&sr=8-1It gives you pictures of the coin, mintage years, mintages, prices and tips on grading. It' a pretty useful resource. And let's see... 1 coin down. Any more?  |
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United States
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Hi,
It is important to note that there are fake gold pieces out there of all denominations that are amazingly deceptive. As seen in recent numismatic publications there are a huge number of counterfeit coins being produced and many are pretty good.
We hope that you come on in and ask a lot of questions:-)
Have Fun,
Bill
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Just chiming in. Interesting coin and topic.
First thing that I read which I was a little concerned about
was tapping a gold coin (not knowing if it was indeed a fake)
or for that matter any coin with any possible value, with another coin. Even a light tap on lets say gold or silver, can easily mark it
etc. Also I was wondering if the coin was measured and weighed and then checked with the actual specs. of that particular date genuine coin. I know it is possible to forge a coin and get the weight pretty close but with most fakes I beleive the weight is a pretty good giveaway. Maybe a simple specific gravity test. The concensus here is
that the coin is indeed a fake. I am no expert on fake coins but lets say the coin turned out to be gold with the correct specs. etc.
There may be a possibility of a die variety. ?
Yes, I know most will say, well there is nothing listed for that date
eagle so none exist. Not wanting to kick a possible dead horse but ?
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I am in for 2nd opinions Lets get it weighed it could be real gold |
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Even a light tap on lets say gold or silver, can easily mark it uh oh... When I'm bored I always tap my sovereign and listen to it... |
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